Chromatic orbs are bullshit.

And another one of these "I-didnt-get-what-I-deserved-so-this-game-system-sucks"...

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Dawmz wrote:

And another one of these "I-didnt-get-what-I-deserved-so-this-game-system-sucks"...

And another generic reply that brings nothing to the discussion. The op provided his statistics to what happened. Maybe next time you'll read past the third letter before hitting "reply".

Well in a game such as PoE, that promotes build diversity due to the wide array of customisation one can put into a character, road-blocking someone due to not being able to use the supports they want to make their build work is very damaging.

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Real_Wolf wrote:

I have always said the bias is slightly stronger than it should be.

There is according to your 400 attemps about a 1/3 chance of it rolling all bias, which i feel while 'semi good' is just too strong. When you are chroming you get all bias far too often.

I feel they should reduce the bias a fair bit, so rolling off colours is not AS painful as it currently is.

YES there should be a bias

BUT the current bias is too strong

So, from that data (and I've elsewhere seen this too) the odds of a B socket on pure ES gear are roughly 80%, with 10% for each of the off colors.

Treating the sockets as independent random variables and computing the expected # of socket configurations over 400 trials gives data (roughly) consistent with what the OP experienced, with the exception of the low-probability (> 3 off-socket) non-existent rolls.

Maybe 70% would be more reasonable. Maybe the chromatic re-roll system is flawed. You're looking at 3^6 = 729 configurations on a 6L piece of gear -- yes, many are functionally the same, but on the other hand getting 6B (or 5B1G, 5B1R) should be relatively easy to get, and the lower you swing the bias, the harder that will be. 729 is (unfortunately) a very large space of possible configurations for a crafting system that's roughly equivalent to throwing darts while blindfolded.

So it'd be consistent with the data that maybe there's something preventing (or discouraging) a large number of off-color sockets.

However, low probability events have very high variance. Pulling a number out of thin air, lets say on average it takes 1000 fusings to 6L a 6 socket piece of gear (I know it doesn't, this is a bit high -- but only a bit -- and I'm also discounting 20% quality fusing)

Then:

* 50% of people will have a 6L using fewer than 700 fusings. Note this is fewer than 1000 fusings. (Most people beat the system! Yay!)
* 75% of people will have a 6L using fewer than 1400 fusings.
* 90% of people will have a 6L using fewer than 2300 fusings.
* 99% of people will have a 6L using fewer than 4600 fusings.

This still leaves 1% of players, which is honestly still a sizeable amount, still lacking a 6L after 4600 fusings. Ouch.

But don't tell that to the 0.1% of players that needed to use more than 6900 fusings.

(Figures approximate, based on log(1-p) ~= -p for small values of p, with an error slightly larger than p^2/2. In the above calculation p = 1/1000.)

OP's statistics prove that ... off colors are hard to get in PoE. Well, yeah, it indeed is. Therefore, op has 2 viable solutions :
- Get his sockets on a hybrid chest, which will be easy.
or
- Put in the hours required to reach his goal with his current chest.

But no, he chosed the third solution, aka whining on forums because he can't get exactly what he wants, when he wants.
Everybody knows getting 2R2G2B on a pure ES chest is hard, either you commit to it or if you don't have the time/will to farm, you look for an easier route.

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Dawmz wrote:

OP's statistics prove that ... off colors are hard to get in PoE. Well, yeah, it indeed is. Therefore, op has 2 viable solutions :
- Get his sockets on a hybrid chest, which will be easy.
or
- Put in the hours required to reach his goal with his current chest.

But no, he chosed the third solution, aka whining on forums because he can't get exactly what he wants, when he wants.
Everybody knows getting 2R2G2B on a pure ES chest is hard, either you commit to it or if you don't have the time/will to farm, you look for an easier route.

You call it whining about using 400 items on something and only getting a handful of combinations even though there should be 120 different color combinations (via links; 20 base color combos), while OP is doing what's called beta feedback.


It's fine to hate people who complain just to complain (facebreaker op). Just don't hate people that post their dislikes and then provide the supporting evidence for their claim. This portion is in response to your initial comment in this thread just trying to call the op out.

edit - 28 base combos. Someone below corrected me.

Who cares about the fact there are 120 colors combos ?!
Everybody knows chromatic results are artficially weighted towards the armor type, it's not like it's a hidden fact or something, op's results are not surprising, they are the _expected_ results.
Oh and I forgot a third solution for op : reduce his build to a 5L or even a 4L since 6L is a luxury.

What we have here is somebody who wants to play a very specific luxury build : specific armor type, 6Link with specific colors without any concessions whatsoever. But this person does not accept/want that to reach this very high goal, he will have to meet certain hard criterias (once again, it is expected when you're aiming for a very elite build) and one of them is chrome his chest.
You can always adapt your build, even temporary, if you can't reach the top immediately. Like many people, I tried to do a discharge build a few weeks ago but since I'm not as rich as Kripp and since I can't waste 8 hours of my life everyday to play PoE, I compromised : no alpha howl so run less auras, no uber items so way less ES than Kripp's version, no 6Link so no cold to fire... Guess what ? My character still works. Still can do maps. Maybe in some weeks I'll be able to afford a alpha howl and run one more aura ? That's the fun of the game.

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oopomopoo wrote:

20 base color combos

28

What op is getting at is that they may be too weighed. Remember it is beta and feedback is always welcome, provided it's constructive. I believe earlier in the thread someone calculated that it's an 80/10/10 weight, in which case, is that really necessary? You can say it makes sense because ES = blue armor, but that's some mighty fine weighing going on. Blue is getting pretty greedy taking up 4/5 of the rolls when he's got a family of 3 to feed. Blue should definitely get some priority, I mean it's his house; but damn, give some food to your kids, blue.:(

The suggestion of a Prism orb. It keeps Chromes cheap like they currently are and working exactly as they are now, but another currency to completely rng the rolls of an item. Well, honestly I would like them to tinker a bit with the chromatic orb ratio so we don't have to add another currency, but if that's not possible, an additional orb could take care of those people wanting obscure color combos without providing too many issues.

Also don't get me wrong - I do think they should be weighed. As a marauder using armor, there's a pretty good chance I'm using a couple red gems. It's nice to be able to have those colors all the time. It's just a pain. I spent 130 chromes trying to 2r/1b/1g some boots that I ended up running out of chromes. I'm fine with it, it would have just been nice to get that combo. I'm living with a 3r 1g. However, it would be nice to have a more diverse color pallet, if only by an additional 5-10%. I can't imagine myself ever getting a 6l and thinking "I should use 5 red gems."

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syrioforel wrote:

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oopomopoo wrote:

20 base color combos

28

fixed. Ty sir

I'v too spent poopload of chromes trying to 2R2B2G my ES chest, not a single 4-off colour roll yet. I would like more RNG in the rolling and less bias towards specific colors based on armor type/req. PoE is all about build diversity and not being able to do different builds becouse you cant roll right colour sockets is bad design.

Theres a thin line between something being "hard to get" and "why do i even bother..?" and right now socketing / linking / getting right colours, is starting to feel like the latter option.

p.s. this is my feedback from the beta, i dont care if your 4-link build can one-shot merv or breeze maps like nothing.