Manually trading with people is great fun!

Something like this:

want to trade my AR/EV rare boots with +life and 3 resists for a rare heavy quiver with a high phys. roll
Offering it 3 days in a row, but am finding no one.
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CookieVortex wrote:
True story:

(not 5L or anything)
Me: How much is this chest ? I will offer you 16 chaos for start. Just PM me back what do you want for it.
Trader: Lolz, you are one of those guys who want to buy everything for 1 chaos, fuck off.

The chest wasn't really that good or sth, not 5L or sth and it was in standard.

True story 2:
I have a shop with b/o, the reason I set b/o is to avoid time-wasting negotiations.
So there comes a guy, who want to buy X, X is 1 chaos b/o

The guy: 1 fusing for X?
The guy: ?

Sorry, but no reply, I would spend more time contacting than 1 fusing is worth.




"b/o" does not mean "minimum price, I won't take any less". B/o just means buyout price, nothing more, nothing less.

In fact, given that the market fluctuates, often such that less-than-godly gear keep getting lower in value, it is not reasonable to expect that the b/o's keep being updated to match current market price. So, yeah, offering to someone who has set a b/o, is more reasonable than unreasonable.

If you want to avoid "time-wasting" negotiations, you should set a minimum price, not just a buyout price.
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2plex wrote:
Something like this:

want to trade my AR/EV rare boots with +life and 3 resists for a rare heavy quiver with a high phys. roll
Offering it 3 days in a row, but am finding no one.



No movement speed, that's the problem.
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mazul wrote:
No movement speed, that's the problem.


Nice observation, but besides the point.
Replace +life with +movement speed if you like, it was only fictional anyway.
Ahhh, the adventures of the trade chat :

Guy X : WTS "item"
Me ( on whisper ) how much do you want for it
No answer.

: (
: D

Or one from 2 weeks ago :

Me : WTS my old bow "bow"
Guy Y ( whisper ) : price ?
Me : Hmm, 1 alch.
Guy Y : Ok, just wait a little.

I waited for 25 mins. before deciding to idnore him.

Last edited by DoctorHiruruluk#5280 on Jul 28, 2013, 3:37:55 PM
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Odoakar wrote:
Trading is retarted and I blame it on the community.

'Hey guys, I want to sell this item.'
-'How much are you looking for it?'
'Offer.'

?

No, I will not offer. You are selling, so state your price. As a seller, you KNOW the price of this item, as you have a notion of what you want to get in exchange for this item. Wanting a buyer to blindly state a price is extremely frustrating, at least for me.


It's not difficult to make an offer. The seller may not have decided on a price and may be open to negotiations or currency other than orbs. In this scenario you're actually the one making things difficult by not answering a simple question: what's it worth to you?
Last edited by CirePadela#7806 on Jul 28, 2013, 4:39:36 PM
But what does it matter what's it worth to me? I might or might not buy it, but he is selling it. It's on his side to state the price on the product he is selling.

Making a buyer state the price results in two scenarios:
- either you offer lower than what he wants for the item and THEN he states his price
- or you offer more than he expected so he accepts the trade

I hate being a buyer in this game, and this is not good since trading is 70% of success in this game.
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When I ask someone "how much" for an item they posted in trade chat and they reply with "make an offer" I just don't reply because I know it's going to be a waste of time.

Stupid bastards just need to write how much they want for the fucking item and quit playing shenanigans.
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Last edited by Wraeclastian#7390 on Jul 28, 2013, 5:07:36 PM
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CirePadela wrote:
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Odoakar wrote:
Trading is retarted and I blame it on the community.

'Hey guys, I want to sell this item.'
-'How much are you looking for it?'
'Offer.'

?

No, I will not offer. You are selling, so state your price. As a seller, you KNOW the price of this item, as you have a notion of what you want to get in exchange for this item. Wanting a buyer to blindly state a price is extremely frustrating, at least for me.


It's not difficult to make an offer. The seller may not have decided on a price and may be open to negotiations or currency other than orbs. In this scenario you're actually the one making things difficult by not answering a simple question: what's it worth to you?


The one that started with "making things difficult" is the uneducated seller that don´t know what his items are worth. If you don´t know the price of your items either let them pc or accumulate them with comparing it to other sellers items and their prices. But using potential buyers as "testing ground" to accumulate prices is bad. Also if you unsure you can make a absurd high buy_out and just start an auction.
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Spysong192 wrote:
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CirePadela wrote:
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Odoakar wrote:
Trading is retarted and I blame it on the community.

'Hey guys, I want to sell this item.'
-'How much are you looking for it?'
'Offer.'

?

No, I will not offer. You are selling, so state your price. As a seller, you KNOW the price of this item, as you have a notion of what you want to get in exchange for this item. Wanting a buyer to blindly state a price is extremely frustrating, at least for me.


It's not difficult to make an offer. The seller may not have decided on a price and may be open to negotiations or currency other than orbs. In this scenario you're actually the one making things difficult by not answering a simple question: what's it worth to you?


The one that started with "making things difficult" is the uneducated seller that don´t know what his items are worth. If you don´t know the price of your items either let them pc or accumulate them with comparing it to other sellers items and their prices. But using potential buyers as "testing ground" to accumulate prices is bad. Also if you unsure you can make a absurd high buy_out and just start an auction.


Asking for offers isn't mandatory, but it's pretty much standard practice in any game with a non-auction house style trading system. In all the games I've played, the PoE community is the only one with people who are so damn hostile about this.

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