General Discussion - A bit tired of the "HC master race" attitude. - Forum

There are idiots and kids on either side. And some idiot kids too, that pollute any thread they can just for lulz. Consequently the signal to noise ratio in any thread on this or almost any other game website is too low to allow effective feedback to filter through. One thing I have noticed though, since 2000 when I was playing Everquest, is that certain genres attract different types of people. Specifically, pvp, HC, and games that allow griefing. Whilst many 'normal' people play those modes, and have fun dong so, it often seems to act like a black hole in attracting the antisocial types. Having default and HC, coupled with ninja-looting, PK'ing and "free to play and make as many alts as you can" gameplay, PoE seems destined to become the new game for attracting scum and villainy. And that is a shame. It is a shame for the devs who are trying to make a profitable game. Every person chased off by the rabids is another mtx lost. Each person that is griefed or ripped off or made fun of so that they quit this 'free game' hurts us all. But it seems a lot of people forget this, or just don't care anymore. At least when you had to configure EMS and XMS memory, make a boot disk to ignore your cd-rom, and generally faff around in order to make a game run - it kept the sociopaths away. tl;dr: fuck you. learn to read. No tldr from me.	Posted by Gorrfink#0226 on Jun 1, 2013, 9:49:43 PM Quote this Post
I'm better than every crybaby SC player. Nuff said.	Posted by Mythicpoe#7612 on Jun 1, 2013, 10:12:09 PM Quote this Post
" Charan wrote: Spoiler And still can't use a fucking apostrophe correctly. :) Spoiler Correctly? I cant use them at all! IGN: KoTao	Posted by KoTao#4717 on Jun 1, 2013, 10:42:26 PM Quote this Post
" Falcord wrote: Let me put this in the least confrontational way possible: The fact that you have chosen to play the game in a different manner, which rewards a more careful and defensive style of play (Hardcore) doesn't make you more skilled or experienced at the game than me. I've had hundreds of conversations now in which the crude ad hominem argument "shut up, default player" has come up in one way or another, and the problem is, it seems to be taken seriously by many. It has gotten to the point Hardcore players dismiss Standard players feedback out of hand, as if the game had to be balanced around Hardcore mechanics, Standard being an afterthought. The truth is, whether or not a player enjoys Hardcore or Standard has little to do with skill. I don't bother playing Hardcore because I don't see appeal in permadeath on a game that behaves so deterministically (I don't feel I lost anything unique if I die, I just feel the tedium of having to rebuild it again) and because I enjoy playing strange builds that don't necessarily aim for survivability. I have friends who play the same way and have a very deep knowledge of the game, and it saddens me to see some people on the forum look down on them. Some of these guys could play HC way better than the average HC player, it's just not their thing. Now don't get me wrong: I appreciate the skills required to be a successful Hardcore player and I do have a great deal of respect for those who thrive in such a scenario. I just don't feel we should give the opinions of Hardcore players more credence just because they decided to build their characters around the core principle of never dying. After all, that is just one of many optimization criteria. Sorry if this came out as a rant but I'm a bit tired of the notion that feedback from HC players is more valuable. Please discuss this in a mature way. I was ranked #7 on D2 hc ladder one season and #19 on another. I only play sc in PoE. I can tell you better than most, hc requires absolutely zero extra "skill". People don't like it simplified so much, but it's just a slower experience, and nothing more.	Posted by nGio#1658 on Jun 1, 2013, 10:51:22 PM Quote this Post
Terrible thread that had no point to be created in the first place, all this ends up doing is making both sides look bad and fuels negative feelings about the game, always surprising how stuff like this makes so many people butthurt, does it really matter at the end of the day? Wasn't have the most fun playing the game how you want is all about? Guessing a lot of people really do have self esteem issues to go as crazy as I seen some people go at it over this topic, kind of sad really.	Posted by Bolto#3453 on Jun 1, 2013, 10:56:36 PM Quote this Post
I will cross-breed SC and HC and form a race a superior race to you weaklings! I call it "al dente core"	Posted by Lyralei#5969 on Jun 1, 2013, 11:08:13 PM Quote this Post
" Flickerflare wrote: " tadl wrote: Can I ask you SC players just one thing. How is your economy going? It's going horribly: but that's our fault. Every time I die I throw out a ton of powerful gear and throw it to a SC player. The fact that upon death we get teleported to softcore means we're inflating their economy. Now granted, this would happen over time without us, but we're making it worse. You see it as a problem, I don't. It makes certainly the SC economy special though. In practice 99% item drops are used like vendor trash, but for just a little currency you can get "good gear". Now godly gear is expensive, but that's not an issue. This message was delivered by GGG defence force.	Posted by mazul#2568 on Jun 2, 2013, 12:29:15 AM Quote this Post
Charan, I leave it up to you whether this thread continues open or not. I think it did well, but I got what I wanted to know out of it.	Posted by Falcord#4858 on Jun 2, 2013, 2:58:35 AM Quote this Post
No problems. It was not a complete loss considering the incendiary topic and the moth-to-the-flame reactions. :) Good enough to encourage me to tap out a reply via swype. That wasn't much fun. Although for the sake of summary and conclusion, what did you get out of it? I've seen bits and pieces along the way but nothing decisive. If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between. I am Path of Exile's biggest whale. Period.	Posted by Foreverhappychan#4626 on Jun 2, 2013, 3:27:19 AM Alpha Member Quote this Post
" Charan wrote: No problems. It was not a complete loss considering the incendiary topic and the moth-to-the-flame reactions. :) Good enough to encourage me to tap out a reply via swype. That wasn't much fun. Although for the sake of summary and conclusion, what did you get out of it? I've seen bits and pieces along the way but nothing decisive. Mostly good attitude from Hardcore players that dismisses the doubts I might have had. What I wanted NOT to see was polite, well written arguments trying to defend the idea that HC or SC is entitled to be the center of game balance, because that would've meant that the intelligent part of the community does believe there is a different importance to both modes. Every well written post I've seen however goes along the lines of "there is no difference" or "I play both", which is pretty much the way I feel. Also I wanted to hear reasons why people play HC. This is a topic that I find quite interesting since being a long time Roguelike player (DCSS is my favourite single player game) I am often puzzled at myself for having zero interest in Hardcore, so wanted to see some points of view.	Posted by Falcord#4858 on Jun 2, 2013, 3:33:23 AM Quote this Post