A bit tired of the "HC master race" attitude.

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Falcord wrote:

Let me put this in the least confrontational way possible: The fact that you have chosen to play the game in a different manner, which rewards a more careful and defensive style of play (Hardcore) doesn't make you more skilled or experienced at the game than me.

I've had hundreds of conversations now in which the crude ad hominem argument "shut up, default player" has come up in one way or another, and the problem is, it seems to be taken seriously by many. It has gotten to the point Hardcore players dismiss Standard players feedback out of hand, as if the game had to be balanced around Hardcore mechanics, Standard being an afterthought.

The truth is, whether or not a player enjoys Hardcore or Standard has little to do with skill. I don't bother playing Hardcore because I don't see appeal in permadeath on a game that behaves so deterministically (I don't feel I lost anything unique if I die, I just feel the tedium of having to rebuild it again) and because I enjoy playing strange builds that don't necessarily aim for survivability. I have friends who play the same way and have a very deep knowledge of the game, and it saddens me to see some people on the forum look down on them. Some of these guys could play HC way better than the average HC player, it's just not their thing.

Now don't get me wrong: I appreciate the skills required to be a successful Hardcore player and I do have a great deal of respect for those who thrive in such a scenario. I just don't feel we should give the opinions of Hardcore players more credence just because they decided to build their characters around the core principle of never dying. After all, that is just one of many optimization criteria.

Sorry if this came out as a rant but I'm a bit tired of the notion that feedback from HC players is more valuable. Please discuss this in a mature way.

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oBLACKIECHANo wrote:

Sorry to tell you kid, but just the fact that HC is far more punishing automatically makes it harder. If you can't understand that very simple fact then you shouldn't even be talking about it.

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ventiman wrote:

hey i just had a level up lets do piety temple map what can i lose

said no hc player ever :)

comparing a crappy 85 death in sc with the complete loss of a highlvl even lvl 50 is enough including gems uniques links ect is plain retarded

what do you do when you die in sc at 85 you press ressurrect and join the next 72+map

what does the hc player do ? rushing hillock on twillight strand and twinking his toon with crappy low lvl uniques

see the difference ?

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fgcewoud wrote:

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oBLACKIECHANo wrote:

Sorry to tell you kid, but just the fact that HC is far more punishing automatically makes it harder. If you can't understand that very simple fact then you shouldn't even be talking about it.

This is the kind of attitude that has to stop. You completely missing the point.

Hardcore is NOT harder because it has a different penalty. Hardcore takes more time & patience to avoid certain things.

And again; if you have this attitude on the higher levels in default, hell, you won't even get beyond level 80.

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oBLACKIECHANo wrote:

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fgcewoud wrote:

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oBLACKIECHANo wrote:

Sorry to tell you kid, but just the fact that HC is far more punishing automatically makes it harder. If you can't understand that very simple fact then you shouldn't even be talking about it.

This is the kind of attitude that has to stop. You completely missing the point.

Hardcore is NOT harder because it has a different penalty. Hardcore takes more time & patience to avoid certain things.

And again; if you have this attitude on the higher levels in default, hell, you won't even get beyond level 80.

Like I said, if you do not understand the link between how unforgiving and punishing something is, and difficulty, then don't talk about it.

Hardcore = 1 mistake can be permanent death and you have to start all over again.

Softcore = 1 mistake can be a death, you lose 15% xp and just start up the maps again.

There is a huge difference.

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Hovergame wrote:

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ShaeG wrote:

Altf4core slave race you mean? HUr dur gaise I play hc and I'm soooo gewd at pOE I have Terrible dips and almost every life and defensive node possible and can altf4 and fast logout better than anyone rank1 Internet tough guy Ftw leet 5k dps -take me 37 mins to clear a map homie

Noobcore slave race you mean? HUr dur gaise I play sc and I'm soooo gewd at pOE, I die every 2 maps and almost every dps node possible and can click "resurrect" faster than anyone rank1 Internet tought guy Ftw leet 1K HP+ES -take 3min to clear a map homie and 5 days to level with the death penalty.

I don't fucking care where you play. I do care when a fucking noob like this one thinks he's better than anyone else for stupid reasons. You want to fear death ? Play HC. You don't want t fear death ? Play SC. You want a glass canon ? Play SC. That's all I need to know.

I'm really tired of this useless and endless fight. I won't judge you on how you decide to play this game. The post I quoted is just an example of a stupid douchebag playing in SC. We could find some example of a douchebag in HC telling "U R IN SC OLOLZ NOOB". For me, they are the same : douchebags, and that's all.

Lol high levels of butthurt detected. Initiate heartwarming response. Everything will be ok bud. I was mocking a common hc attitude. And you proved my point perfectly. There is a big difference in mocking and actually meaning it. You got your Templars non existent pants in a twist over nothing.

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oBLACKIECHANo wrote:

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Falcord wrote:

Let me put this in the least confrontational way possible: The fact that you have chosen to play the game in a different manner, which rewards a more careful and defensive style of play (Hardcore) doesn't make you more skilled or experienced at the game than me.

I've had hundreds of conversations now in which the crude ad hominem argument "shut up, default player" has come up in one way or another, and the problem is, it seems to be taken seriously by many. It has gotten to the point Hardcore players dismiss Standard players feedback out of hand, as if the game had to be balanced around Hardcore mechanics, Standard being an afterthought.

The truth is, whether or not a player enjoys Hardcore or Standard has little to do with skill. I don't bother playing Hardcore because I don't see appeal in permadeath on a game that behaves so deterministically (I don't feel I lost anything unique if I die, I just feel the tedium of having to rebuild it again) and because I enjoy playing strange builds that don't necessarily aim for survivability. I have friends who play the same way and have a very deep knowledge of the game, and it saddens me to see some people on the forum look down on them. Some of these guys could play HC way better than the average HC player, it's just not their thing.

Now don't get me wrong: I appreciate the skills required to be a successful Hardcore player and I do have a great deal of respect for those who thrive in such a scenario. I just don't feel we should give the opinions of Hardcore players more credence just because they decided to build their characters around the core principle of never dying. After all, that is just one of many optimization criteria.

Sorry if this came out as a rant but I'm a bit tired of the notion that feedback from HC players is more valuable. Please discuss this in a mature way.

Sorry to tell you kid, but just the fact that HC is far more punishing automatically makes it harder. If you can't understand that very simple fact then you shouldn't even be talking about it.