CI and Low Life -- totally inconsistent, Please rethink this!!!!
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Pav, if you knew anything about HC, you would know invalesco had a low life build out it HC before Shavronne was even introduced.
If dream fragments prevented being chilled, than it would be worth wearing. It lacks multiple resists, ES, and damage. Flasks which dispel frozen are all you need. n a brand new economy, do people make CI or low life builds? Answer is CI, since low life is even more gear dependant. |
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" Again a completely illogical assumption on your part and you are of course, in keeping with your track record, dead wrong. I knew where they were, I opted not to use them in favor of ES and other nodes. I was trying to get the cold resist over 75% solely using armor, ammys and rings which did not seem to work my poor assumption was that because I could not get it over 75% with gear that 75% was a cap. Honestly you really should try the high road some time you might be surprised what you can see from it. We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
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" lol. just admit it, you don't know all that much about the game. You were trying to get cold resist over 75% solely using armor, ammys and rings.... this didn't work because its impossible! Again, I feel it is a very safe assumption to say that you don't have a very complete understanding of the game if you did this. I didn't say anything about you 'not knowing where they were' I specifically stated that you didn't know what the actual cap was, which you prove again with this post. Keeping with my track record I am 100% right. You don't have the basic game knowledge to provide relevant balance suggestions, sorry, but that is the truth. Im always on the high road, looking down on everyone else, heh Last edited by thepmrc#0256 on May 21, 2013, 7:53:21 PM
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" Thanks SL4Y3R I appreciate that information. I'm not sure I should be expected to know about each person who has ever played this games or their historical builds however. I do completely agree with you on dream fragments and Alpha Howl for that matter because neither one really solves the problem of being chilled. Being flask dependent is a solution of course but to me it seems silly that we have to solely rely on flasks to cure bleeding from Puncture, Chill and Freezing, etc. etc. That's not really hard core that's poor design in my opinion. I know you probably see it the other way around which is ok. So we can agree to just disagree there. I'm not sure you can substantiate the claim that people are more drawn to CI than low life builds or that CI is less gear dependent but that could be. I'm guessing the truth may be that most players ignore both and opt for a high HP builds but that's is of course a total guess. Player to player, person to person you might consider not leading your replies off with "if you knew anything about" statements it will tend to make many readers get that far and then find the remainder of what you have to say disingenuous.. which is a shame because you obviously have some things to offer based on your experience. I have found that is true on forums pretty much the same as it is in RL. We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. Last edited by Pavshaus#6712 on May 21, 2013, 7:58:22 PM
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" They make CI because there's a wealth of armors that can go CI. There's only one armor that can typically go lowlife. That one armor also happens to be THE endgame option. No matter how geared you get, if you go lowlife, that's still going to be your chest. High end CI armors are not really appreciably cheaper than shavronnes. Invalesco's build was also done as a challenge to what was considered impossible before. It's still a novelty and is still scared as shit of any chaos damage. Last edited by UnderOmerta#1203 on May 21, 2013, 8:54:11 PM
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" Well you point out only what I already admitted elsewhere... I did not know what the cap was or that getting past 75% depended on node use because I never explored that aspect as I never had a need to before. What is hilarious about all this really is that every time you have an an opportunity to do so you prove exactly who and what you are. We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
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" I agree with this entirely. But in a game with Kaoms and Shavronnes as options, there are really only a few solutions: 1.) Nerf Kaoms and Shavronnes 2.) Buff CI/other builds so they can be competitive with Kaoms and Shavronnes 3.) Accept that the game is literally going to be nearly all Kaom's and Shavronne's at the top, and that nearly all non-novelty builds are going to have them be their endgame options. Now I don't think 3 is a game that sounds particularly fun, so I think it's perfectly fair to suggest ways to accomplish 1 or 2. Last edited by UnderOmerta#1203 on May 21, 2013, 8:05:20 PM
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Apologies for the lead off, but when I here things such as, oh you must play default, or anyone who doesn't wear DF is moronic, it doesn't exactly help me lead off to being overly polite.
FWIW, being dependent on flasks in specific situations is not a bad thing. Having to offset a piece of gear to flasks is a good thing. |
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" Didn't think I did any of those things but for whatever might have been misconstrued I too apologize...sometimes I am prone to pontificate.. so my bad if I did. I do get your point on the flasks and understand where you are coming from, I just don't feel the same way at all... seems like a patchy solution to me at best. To me it kind of amounts to ....Oh gosh we forgot that players with low life pools will be subject to freezing, burning, stunning, chilling... hmm lets just add some attributes to flasks that will temporarily cure those things..despite that they will just have to keep going through being plagued with the effect over and over and over and over... pretty goofy imho. Oh and btw we can always justify that they will be overly affected by three things because they are immune to one. I just can't agree that is good balance of character or play. So many parts of the game that I do enjoy... this is just one huge part I don't. We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
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" Potentially, yes. But there's a lot of things that CI's need to have in their flasks. They probably need at least one quicksilver, ideally with extra movespeed. Having a dispel burning is necessary for RF builds. Having a granite of iron skin is probably wise. This is not to mention anything about dispel shock which happens extremely easily with ES builds and makes monsters such as Piety or the Idol very dangerous. It's hard to find enough room for utility flasks for CI builds as it is. |
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