Trial of suck my ass is so RNG...there is no skill involved period. Meant to be hard...bullshit!!

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You're clearly just here to argue. I've given you the data, I even explained it.

We're done either way.


The data LOL

This made my day, thank you.


Careful, I hear this guy can get Big Data after you. XD
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You're mad af. Don't like the game, just don't play and support it.
And it's very easy to tell someone to do something while not being able to do it yourself. If it's easy, show the code and maybe help them out.
Sounds like you can do it in a few minutes.

Or you can just get better at the game and make the trial easy. I also had issues with it my first few runs, now it's a joke and I'm not even playing a meta build.


Wow... it's really turning into POE 1 forums in here already.

Another sign that most of the newer players have already bailed.

I'm not engaging with you guys if you're going to just troll.

The OP has a good point. The ascendancies are OBJECTIVELY bad. They were bad in POE 1 too, but every time someone brought it up they were swarmed with the toxic POE 1 playerbase.
Visit my Steam profile here: https://steamcommunity.com/id/TheBaconOverlord/
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Careful, I hear this guy can get Big Data after you. XD



It's like that one kid at school telling everyone his dad works for Nintendo all over again.
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Better question: Why have an ascendancy that is supposed to test whether you're ready to progress your ascension or start it... by making you do the same randomized dungeon that everyone else does?

Especially with it being heavily reliant on RNG.

It's just lazy development.

Every ascendancy should have its own trials based on the strengths and weaknesses of that ascendancy/class.

AT MINIMUM.


This is how I know you understand NOTHING about games or the design of them.

The whole point of PoE in general is you can make a big tanky ranger or spell casting warrior if you want.

How the hell do you base trials off an ascendancy anyway?

My invoker can do cold damage, or lightning damage, or attack damage, or spell damage, or crits, or triggered spells, or have armor based on evasion.

Do explain how to make a trial that focuses on all those things you can take, while never letting you take all of them? It focuses on cold damage so you can't go lightning? Focuses on attack damage so you can't do cast on anything or spells?

See where it all falls apart? You calling "lazy development" means NOTHING. It would mean NOTHING from someone with skill, experience, and intelligence.

Unless you even try to understand WHY you're mad, you'll never say a damn thing of use to anyone.


"how the hell do you base trials off an ascendancy"

With very simple coding that scans your nodes, stats, gear and with a very simple algorithm generates a dungeon based on your strengths and weaknesses. And if they wanted to get really specific about it, they could have you select your ascendancy nodes in advance to specifically customize the dungeon around the ascendancy nodes you're trying to see if you're ready to progress...

It's not at all hard to do, it's just not something they've even considered because "it worked in POE 1" even though there was always major pushback about the Labs.

Plus, who said I'm mad?

I'm disappointed that this is POE 1.1 instead of a new game, but it is what it is and it's probably not going to change unless Ten Cent steps in and tells them playerbase is more important than their vision.


There's no games that are that advanced. What you are asking is for AI. how do you plan on testing that with all the possible combination. They have better things to do.

You said there is no skill involved, yet you have to dodge a lot of stuff, rational thinking and making decision is a skill. You have to plan how you will tackle the trial by using the right kind of artefacts. Do you go for merchants and holy water? More resistance and hope not to die? Resolve recovery? There's plenty of tactics to use based on how you play.
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Wow... it's really turning into POE 1 forums in here already.

Another sign that most of the newer players have already bailed.

I'm not engaging with you guys if you're going to just troll.

The OP has a good point. The ascendancies are OBJECTIVELY bad. They were bad in POE 1 too, but every time someone brought it up they were swarmed with the toxic POE 1 playerbase.


Listen man, i'm gonna keep it as real as I can.

I didn't troll you, I stated MY own experience and opinion.

YOU jumped on me, YOU discredit anyone that doesn't share the same narrative as yours.

You can't just throw out numbers and statements and call them data or facts and expect people to not argue that you're just pulling numbers out of your ass, man.

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Careful, I hear this guy can get Big Data after you. XD



It's like that one kid at school telling everyone his dad works for Nintendo all over again.


*sigh* Never meet your heroes I guess XD
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You're mad af. Don't like the game, just don't play and support it.
And it's very easy to tell someone to do something while not being able to do it yourself. If it's easy, show the code and maybe help them out.
Sounds like you can do it in a few minutes.

Or you can just get better at the game and make the trial easy. I also had issues with it my first few runs, now it's a joke and I'm not even playing a meta build.


Wow... it's really turning into POE 1 forums in here already.

Another sign that most of the newer players have already bailed.

I'm not engaging with you guys if you're going to just troll.

The OP has a good point. The ascendancies are OBJECTIVELY bad. They were bad in POE 1 too, but every time someone brought it up they were swarmed with the toxic POE 1 playerbase.

Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm toxic.
You're saying everyone is wrong, you say you got data from god knows where and you keep saying fixing this is easy, do an algorithm and its all hood.
Show us the working code if it's easy, else take a seat, wait until they nerf it or get a carry if you don't want to learn the system
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There's no games that are that advanced. What you are asking is for AI. how do you plan on testing that with all the possible combination. They have better things to do.

You said there is no skill involved, yet you have to dodge a lot of stuff, rational thinking and making decision is a skill. You have to plan how you will tackle the trial by using the right kind of artefacts. Do you go for merchants and holy water? More resistance and hope not to die? Resolve recovery? There's plenty of tactics to use based on how you play.


"there's no games that are that advanced"

False.

D4 does it just fine with their class quests. Odd how simple it can be when you just have a quest that's based on someone's class instead of a one-size-fits-all dungeon of RNG.

GGG decided to make ascendancies a thing you had to "test" for in "trials". They should make it so those trials reflect the ascendancy or even have anything at all to do with it.

I never once said anything about skill... this is a video game and an ARPG at that. I don't know what "skill" you're referring to anyway.

"dodge a lot of stuff"

Yes, but why would a face tanking titan have to "dodge a lot of stuff" exactly? You're inadvertently highlighting the problems with a one-size-fits-all ascendancy.

Visit my Steam profile here: https://steamcommunity.com/id/TheBaconOverlord/
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You're mad af. Don't like the game, just don't play and support it.
And it's very easy to tell someone to do something while not being able to do it yourself. If it's easy, show the code and maybe help them out.
Sounds like you can do it in a few minutes.

Or you can just get better at the game and make the trial easy. I also had issues with it my first few runs, now it's a joke and I'm not even playing a meta build.


Wow... it's really turning into POE 1 forums in here already.

Another sign that most of the newer players have already bailed.

I'm not engaging with you guys if you're going to just troll.

The OP has a good point. The ascendancies are OBJECTIVELY bad. They were bad in POE 1 too, but every time someone brought it up they were swarmed with the toxic POE 1 playerbase.

Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm toxic.
You're saying everyone is wrong, you say you got data from god knows where and you keep saying fixing this is easy, do an algorithm and its all hood.
Show us the working code if it's easy, else take a seat, wait until they nerf it or get a carry if you don't want to learn the system


Correct, disagreeing is one thing.

Attacking someone is another.

As far as the changes.. how are they going to come about if someone doesn't say something?

White knighting for the game company fixes nothing... and it doesn't even make sense. Are they paying you? No. So... why would you stick up for something so obviously broken?

Visit my Steam profile here: https://steamcommunity.com/id/TheBaconOverlord/
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You're mad af. Don't like the game, just don't play and support it.
And it's very easy to tell someone to do something while not being able to do it yourself. If it's easy, show the code and maybe help them out.
Sounds like you can do it in a few minutes.

Or you can just get better at the game and make the trial easy. I also had issues with it my first few runs, now it's a joke and I'm not even playing a meta build.


Wow... it's really turning into POE 1 forums in here already.

Another sign that most of the newer players have already bailed.

I'm not engaging with you guys if you're going to just troll.

The OP has a good point. The ascendancies are OBJECTIVELY bad. They were bad in POE 1 too, but every time someone brought it up they were swarmed with the toxic POE 1 playerbase.


Can we appreciate that JUST ONE PAGE after calling it out, we got EXACTLY...

blaming devs (or forums, anyone but yourself), disengage, troll.

Literally did the thing being called out for 5 minutes later. Amazing.

Edit: quoted one too many things, fixed
Last edited by Redthorne82#3177 on Jan 14, 2025, 8:36:04 AM

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