GGG please do not listen to these people

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

Yea it was constantly on the opinion list over the years. Windripper Tshot Mf build.

We are talking 5+ YEARS of this so I dont know why anyone would say "noone complained about mf windripper builds"

Dude must have been playing under a rock for his entire time in PoE 1...I would even say mf, and windripper mf in particular, was one of teh top 5 most seen complaint threads in all of PoE history.

Hell....the windripper itself went through SIX iterations of GGG nerfs and edits because of it! All eyes were on the ripper from the moment it was released. And its history is a demonstration of GGG's incompetence at addressing the ROOT issue for such a long time.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

Yea it was constantly on the opinion list over the years. Windripper Tshot Mf build.

We are talking 5+ YEARS of this so I dont know why anyone would say "noone complained about mf windripper builds"

Dude must have been playing under a rock for his entire time in PoE 1...I would even say mf, and windripper mf in particular, was one of teh top 5 most seen complaint threads in all of PoE history.

Hell....the windripper itself went through SIX iterations of GGG nerfs and edits because of it!

Havent checked but I wonder if its still on the vault. Was always there. "Deadeye Tornado Shot"

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

Havent checked but I wonder if its still on the vault. Was always there. "Deadeye Tornado Shot"

That's just one example though....dude said mf was "fine" in PoE 1 for 10+ years. The only exception being affliction.

It has been complained about since the freaking beta. And pretty much every league since.

And yea I get that you don't really care either way. But that blatant level of total ignorance had me laughing quite a bit. Care or not, it was a highly divisive subject for all of PoE 1, and now all of PoE 2

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

Havent checked but I wonder if its still on the vault. Was always there. "Deadeye Tornado Shot"

That's just one example though....dude said mf was "fine" in PoE 1 for 10+ years. The only exception being affliction.

It has been complained about since the freaking beta. And pretty much every league since.

Was it magic find or was it party rarity buffs?
Was it magic find or was it league mechanics being more profitable then Windripper.
Its the same bs, "I dont like that people can chose to not do ballbusting content for drops, its not FaIr"
be an adult and let people chose how they want to have fun and get drops?

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DarkLordOdeo#6686 wrote:

Was it magic find or was it party rarity buffs?
Was it magic find or was it league mechanics being more profitable then Windripper.
Its the same bs, "I dont like that people can chose to not do ballbusting content for drops, its not FaIr"
be an adult and let people chose how they want to have fun and get drops?

I already responded to this in my first post. As well as the rest of the OP points. This tangent was just off of your completely false assertion about PoE 1.

Primarily what you completely fail to see is how magic find exacerbates every single one of the other issues, and will forever continue to do so. Just like it did in PoE 1. We have historical proof.

1) Was it party buffs: yes it was...coupled with massive iir and iiq multipliers
2) was it league mechanics being more profitable: yes it was....coupled with massive iir and iiq multipliers. Actually this was the LEAST problematic interaction of affliction....the one league you pointed to with mf being a problem lol.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

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DarkLordOdeo#6686 wrote:

Was it magic find or was it party rarity buffs?
Was it magic find or was it league mechanics being more profitable then Windripper.
Its the same bs, "I dont like that people can chose to not do ballbusting content for drops, its not FaIr"
be an adult and let people chose how they want to have fun and get drops?

I already responded to this in my first post. As well as the rest of the OP points. This tangent was just off of your completely false assertion about PoE 1.

People bitching about a thing they didnt even have to participate in is a problem. You dont have to run MF, full stop. Its even been proven time and again that MF doesnt have that massive of impact on loot, so why continue to crusade against it?
Its jealousy and a want for everything to be shitty instead of making other things better to compensate.

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I already responded to this in my first post. As well as the rest of the OP points. This tangent was just off of your completely false assertion about PoE 1.

Primarily what you completely fail to see is how magic find exacerbates every single one of the other issues, and will forever continue to do so. Just like it did in PoE 1. We have historical proof.

But MF never affected league content UNTIL AFFLICTION. Before then it was literally people crying they couldnt run a single build when it wasnt even the most profitable build outside of bubblegum currency/div cards

Didn't bother to read too much into OP's post as it was all PoE1 this and that. This is PoE2, a different game, not PoE1. Stop trying to make PoE2 PoE1.

MF is bad because it feels like a needed affix, but some builds or defense types literally can't fit it in their build, thus are punished. It should be removed off gear if they want to keep it, or just removed entirely.

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DarkLordOdeo#6686 wrote:

People bitching about a thing they didnt even have to participate in is a problem. You dont have to run MF, full stop. Its even been proven time and again that MF doesnt have that massive of impact on loot, so why continue to crusade against it?
Its jealousy and a want for everything to be shitty instead of making other things better to compensate.

But MF never affected league content UNTIL AFFLICTION. Before then it was literally people crying they couldnt run a single build when it wasnt even the most profitable build outside of bubblegum currency/div cards

You have it 100% backward. Like fully reversed.

1) it has been proven to have a massive impact on loot in PoE 2
2) mf affected all league content quite drastically UNTIL affliction, when nearly everyone got a slice of the pie thanks to affliction wisp multipliers.

I think there will be a happy medium between the two.

Its extremely, almost non-existent and rare(might need some magic find) that the devs outright remove something.

My suggestion would just be have it like POE1, not effecting currency. Its effects on gold, and rares are good enough for me... even if I dont really use it in POE2. Used in POE1 for gold for sure during settlers.


But eh... never felt like I HAD to take it.

Remove mf entirely from every aspect of the game, then remove orbs and buff essence spawns