We need an actual AH (yes another time)

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Shadoe Wrayth#8114 wrote:

Anyone disagreeing with an in-game AH needs to immediately quit EVER using the website for trading as well, as they are, at their base, the exact same.

The only real difference is that the website heavily favors PC players over everyone else, and works nearly flawlessly to that end. However, because it seems to have a hangup when dealing with console players? There looks to be some kind of glitch where we can tell the site to send a whisper, but the whispers don't seem to reach their intended targets...

Thus, we can't utilize it successfully. Has nothing to do with not understanding how to use the thing: it just isn't working for console players most of the time (maybe at all, not sure, have yet to find a console player who has successfully made a trade using it- maybe they exist, I don't know).

I also wonder, as the game tosses an icon in front of the whisper telling the receiver what platform they are on... whether there is some kind of discrimination going on? Not saying intentionally hating on console players... but, it's well-known we have no love of using keyboards in the games we play. So, maybe the sellers aren't responding because it puts a burden on them due to us and keyboards?

I've watched tons of streamers' content, including trades they did, etc. There's a lot of communication at times. Console players can't do that readily or as easily. Maybe these other players aren't so hyped for going through the extra effort of dealing with 'no keyboard' buyers.

Worse, as I have found out by trying to use the website, the majority of sellers are foreign (Russian, Japanese, Chinese, etc)... who knows what kind of extra efforts might be going on there.

And, us console players are coming from a system where we search through listings to find what we want, then just put in our offer. We leave it at that for half an hour to 2 hours, check in on it when we can, look for the notification that it was refused or accepted, etc. Sure, it had its issues... but what did it have that THIS doesn't?

Anonymity.

In this game, that would be priceless. No indication that we are on any specific platform, language, culture, name, nada, zip. It is the perfect way to do business: they either match the price, or they don't- DONE.

It favors no one above anyone else. It isn't instant-buyout, so the big investor types trying to price fix still have to put in offers, one at a time, and wait... and wait... and wait. The in-game is the most friendly across ALL platforms, and to ALL players.

So, my guess is the people who are fighting against it so hard? They know how to abuse the website the best for that kind of predatory behavior, and don't want that power to be taken away.

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Saf3tyhazard#3440 wrote:

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Bottom line, this is more a technical thing than a choice people.

The question shouldn't be 'is this the best idea?'

The question is "Does this work within the setup that GGG has for the game, and will it detract from dev to shoehorn one in?"

If the answer is yes and yes, then we stick with what we have, they can work on that once the game isn't a giant steaming pile of overtuned crap.

If the answer is yes and no, then yea, why not, no down sides to better community interaction.

If the answer is no and anything, then it's moot.

At the end of the day, GGG needs to answer the viability question, before we hash out stuff like this.

SO... GGG... Viability on the concept? Or does this fall outside what you can do with the game's code?

The main issue isn't one of community sentiment or possibility of development. It's GGG's philosophy. They are the ones against an AH. If that doesn't change it doesn't matter what any of us think, it's going to be the way they want it to be. I'm not saying that will never change but they've got a track record of sticking to their guns on that one. HOWEVER, the introduction of the currency exchange seems to indicate we have a better possibility of seeing something like that in the future than we ever have. However slippery that slope is remains to be seen.

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Zeddrik#7843 wrote:

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Saf3tyhazard#3440 wrote:

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One solution would be if u get X amount of whispers off an item and u dont sell it, like price fixer, the item gets delistend, if u do it with many items all your items get delisted and u have to put them manually back in

Yeah that seems like a step in a good direction. If you mispriced something you're going to relist it at a different price manually anyway. Price fixers are doing something malicious so if there's something we can do to make it inconvenient for them to to so without hindering the rest of the players that would be good too.

How would they delist you item when its in a the tab which is listed to everything in that tab is going 1 exalt, are they gone delist the hole tab? just that item? how would that work? people have quad tabs as they dump stuff into it and make the tab 1 exalt something.

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Glyff3083#1641 wrote:

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Saf3tyhazard#3440 wrote:

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Bottom line, this is more a technical thing than a choice people.

The question shouldn't be 'is this the best idea?'

The question is "Does this work within the setup that GGG has for the game, and will it detract from dev to shoehorn one in?"

If the answer is yes and yes, then we stick with what we have, they can work on that once the game isn't a giant steaming pile of overtuned crap.

If the answer is yes and no, then yea, why not, no down sides to better community interaction.

If the answer is no and anything, then it's moot.

At the end of the day, GGG needs to answer the viability question, before we hash out stuff like this.

SO... GGG... Viability on the concept? Or does this fall outside what you can do with the game's code?

The main issue isn't one of community sentiment or possibility of development. It's GGG's philosophy. They are the ones against an AH. If that doesn't change it doesn't matter what any of us think, it's going to be the way they want it to be. I'm not saying that will never change but they've got a track record of sticking to their guns on that one. HOWEVER, the introduction of the currency exchange seems to indicate we have a better possibility of seeing something like that in the future than we ever have. However slippery that slope is remains to be seen.

Ever thought that maybe it's because of a technical limitation of their platform? They've never said WHY they were so adamant against it. Maybe it's just something the platform can't support on the large scale and they did what they could with what the system gave them?

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Pjwned#4230 wrote:

It was literally always wrong to not have an auction house/trading post/whatever, and the explosive popularity of the currency exchange (in both games) only reinforces that.