We need an actual AH (yes another time)

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Ghin#5436 wrote:

One of the reasons an auction house is not a good idea is because there isn't any way to stop bots from buying/selling. Imagine trying to sell a mageblood etc and putting it up accidentally for a stupidly low price. Then seeing it vanish from existence because a bot bought it the moment you put it up for auction. I know I've placed things up for trade with the wrong currency before and gotten flooded with messages.

OH RIIIGHT, because having to pay someone to get you a bot to trade is good.

Please explain to my what's different?

About the low price, man, we all did that mistake at least once in our gaming life, id it it, and I learned from it, at my expenses, doubble check or even triple if needed.

I don't understand the hate for the PoE trading method, I like this way of trading way more than any other games ingame AH.

Most of the time ingame AH's don't let you be overly specific on the searth filters nor let you live search for future items popping up while you can have it on a second monitor. Those three factors alone make the Webtrade in MY opinion vastly superior.

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MrSatanGuy#4359 wrote:

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Ghin#5436 wrote:

You didn't actually say anything about why the current system is hard or what is wrong with it. Why can't you just type the item into search like everyone else? Why is that harder than an auction house?

OP just bitching coz they haven't learned how to use the trade site search functions properly.

An auction house would only be more detrimental to the game as a whole. Main reason is the no-lifer teams will just overpay for all the best items to use them for mirror shops rather than gamble all their own currency away hoping to craft the best items, effectively making their market monopoly even easier for them to achieve. If GGG ever lets this happen, it would cause a sh_tstorm of epic proportions.

As I quoted another one, you are completely right, you talk about no lifers, but you haven't told anything about bots that are sold for real money to help players to sell items automatically. this is bad, and it's already been done in PoE1

Second to everything, if you are trying to trigger me, maaannn you are wasting your time, I've seen things, said things that are no longer possible to do in the web now. btw have a nice day, and also, try to think on what I tried to explain to you, instead of starting a reply, already triggered for no reason at all.

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index#1288 wrote:

I don't understand the hate for the PoE trading method, I like this way of trading way more than any other games ingame AH.

Most of the time ingame AH's don't let you be overly specific on the searth filters nor let you live search for future items popping up while you can have it on a second monitor. Those three factors alone make the Webtrade in MY opinion vastly superior.

Trading, like it was for PoE 1 was bad because in the end was just for only some elitists willing to pay someone to get you a bot for trading while afk.. that. is, by definition the death of a game.

For the filter part, this is up to GGG to make a good filtering, BUT, I'm pretty sure thery are waaaay overqualified for this, they would nail it in really a small time

What about a special stash tab where you can "lock" currency then when you click on the item in the trade website it just automatically performs the trade between that currency and the player's item, then puts the item in that same tab?

Only 1-3 slot for items, that would still take time to buy, would still use the site you love... and would just remove the "spending 10 hours afk for selling" that, by the way, is a huge advantage to people who use bots.

EDIT: Just to clarify: imho the issue with the current trading system is not buying. But the fact that people that play afk or use bots can actually sell and build currency for buying, and that makes prices inaccessible for the majority of players. And because endgame is trading, that sucks.

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Beast85#0920 wrote:

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index#1288 wrote:

I don't understand the hate for the PoE trading method, I like this way of trading way more than any other games ingame AH.

Most of the time ingame AH's don't let you be overly specific on the searth filters nor let you live search for future items popping up while you can have it on a second monitor. Those three factors alone make the Webtrade in MY opinion vastly superior.

Trading, like it was for PoE 1 was bad because in the end was just for only some elitists willing to pay someone to get you a bot for trading while afk.. that. is, by definition the death of a game.

For the filter part, this is up to GGG to make a good filtering, BUT, I'm pretty sure thery are waaaay overqualified for this, they would nail it in really a small time

Well MY item filter works like a charm for ME and I am happy how well it is customizable, PoE filter language isn't hard to understand its pretty much plain text. And yeah oh boy I shiver because the way of PoE1 trade is the death of the game, PoE is so dead, they should really think about what to do about this.

Edit, I actually gave some FACTS why I think that the poe trading system is good - all you spout is "its generally bad" without making a point why that is so - and then you go doomsaying about that its gonna be the death of the game

The PoE trading system might not be convenient, but its flexibility blows any AH I know out of the water.

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PoE is so dead

Steam charts begs to disagree

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index#1288 wrote:

Well MY item filter works like a charm for ME and I am happy how well it is customizable, PoE filter language isn't hard to understand its pretty much plain text. And yeah oh boy I shiver because the way of PoE1 trade is the death of the game, PoE is so dead, they should really think about what to do about this.

Edit, I actually gave some FACTS why I think that the poe trading system is good - all you spout is "its generally bad" without making a point why that is so - and then you go doomsaying about that its gonna be the death of the game

So let's agree with this:

UNLESS you get paid real money for items you seel (if you do) via trade.
What are you losing by this AH, I, as others would like implemented?
We are fighting over the same thing if you think about it.
We want this game to have success (and clearly it's not in our hands, GGG is more than capable to develop masterpieces)
BUT what's the point in having another trade system, it would not harm yours, but it could benefit other kind of gamers, like me for exapmple, that don't like to use an alternate trade mechanism, that's all.

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Beast85#0920 wrote:

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index#1288 wrote:

Well MY item filter works like a charm for ME and I am happy how well it is customizable, PoE filter language isn't hard to understand its pretty much plain text. And yeah oh boy I shiver because the way of PoE1 trade is the death of the game, PoE is so dead, they should really think about what to do about this.

Edit, I actually gave some FACTS why I think that the poe trading system is good - all you spout is "its generally bad" without making a point why that is so - and then you go doomsaying about that its gonna be the death of the game

So let's agree with this:

UNLESS you get paid real money for items you seel (if you do) via trade.
What are you losing by this AH, I, as others would like implemented?
We are fighting over the same thing if you think about it.
We want this game to have success (and clearly it's not in our hands, GGG is more than capable to develop masterpieces)
BUT what's the point in having another trade system, it would not harm yours, but it could benefit other kind of gamers, like me for exapmple, that don't like to use an alternate trade mechanism, that's all.

As long its not a replacement AND items listed on either show up in the other I wouldn't give a rats azz - just leave trade alone its glorious

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actually that would not work, because an item listed on trade would NOT be accessible from the ah, if it works like the currency exchange, as the item would be voided on listing and attributed to the buyer on purchase.
So yeah I doubt webtrade/ah can coexist

Conceptually, the current trade system wouldn't be that bad.

In practice, it is terrible.

In PoE2 fights are harder and take longer. I have seen slower and fewer responses to trade whispers as a result.

Then you have price fixing, people who team up to make items 'seem' cheaper than they are. These people then buy from anyone who lists it for that same price and flip it for a higher price. I've heard people defend this saying 'you didn't research the price properly' or 'flipping is a fair'. NO. Price fixing is predatory.

Next you have the people who don't price-check, but they let whispers price check for them. They don't bother looking it up, they just drop it in a 1 exalt tab, and if they get spammed they bump it up. Rinse and repeat until they get the 'right amount of whispers'. If you didn't realize the value of something and have to re-price it, that's fine. If you deliberately use this as a tool to do it for you, that's not right.


In game auction house would be great.

If you REALLY don't want to do that, here's a few ideas.

Even just one instant purchase from the trade site per day per account would help solve these issues(price fixers would get bought out and players will have to actually price check before listing if they care that much).

A 'Click to complete trade' confirmation for the seller when the purchase request is sent would be nice, instead of the whole whisper, party invite, leave your map, etc.

Some sort of honor system, where if you disregard a certain % of trade messages you get unlisted from the site for a period. This could be generous, even needing to miss over 50-80% to be unlisted.