Remove the support gem limit

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bobtank#2490 wrote:

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Sickness#1007 wrote:

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bobtank#2490 wrote:

I know having 9 6links Isn't core to poe1 that's why I'm providing an argument against it in poe2, I don't know how you got the assumption that I was for it based on this thread? I'm saying that the limitation prevents simple fundamental interactions between skills, which why ive given the arc/Orb of storms example. Having 9 6 links where every additional support you socket is essentially a progressively watered down power spike because the support that makes sense has been taken out of the pool of available supports. You'd have the same power level as a 4 link with repeatable supports that make more sense to your characters theme if the limit was removed. It's not making anyone make a more impactful decision. The decision 90% of the time is "what support out of the available support pool gives me the most power". You're making that supposedly more meaningful decision whether the limit is there or isn't. What I'm saying is that not only is it an additional barrier to entry for casual players as now they need to have an indepth knowledge of all available supports to make a decision on what is the best support. It forces you to use supports that aren't necessarily a good fit for the theme for your build and prevents certain interactions from happening. In no way shape or form is removing *support* gems from the available pool a way of providing the player more options for character customization. It's only reducing the ability to come up with niche builds by limiting interactions between skills.

The core development design that I am referring to is the in depth character customization where the player has choice over the out come of their build. This limitation reduces those choices

You are missing my point. I agree that you would have more options in terms of skill combinations if the support limit did not exist. The problem is that it would give players 9 fully supported 6-links. That is a very far cry from PoE 1 and also IMO a bad system. The current system limits the number of fully supported skills by making the secondary skills have access to lesser support gems.

You can come up with how many downsides of the current system as you like, but until you adress the real reason for its existance you are not going to get anywhere.

Then take away the ability to create 9 6 links, problem solved. Noone asked for that many links anyway, most people just want a skill for clear and a skill for single target along with a few buffs/skills to improve on their chosen skills existing mechanics on other skill slots. This game is just a Frankenstein of elements from various games and doesn't actually provide anything original. The theme of the acts are a 100% a direct ripoff from diablo 2 among other things. Atleast poe1s act themes were original. But choice to include 32 ascendancies wouldve been pro build customization but the limit negates that effect. You've essentially just got 32 diablo skill depth classes. Atleast on poe1 you had the feeling you could pretty pull any skill off on any character you chose. The current skill system only really makes sense on the gemling ascendancy (ie socketing gems into his body) what are the other 31 classes doing with the gems? They're just slapping them together. Atleast with them being socketed into items it made some sort of sense but they were desperate to again copy diablos rune system so they reworked everything and it just isn't as fun as the original system. Poe1 atleast provided something original to the arpg scene and sure a slither of that originality has made it into poe2 but it's not as player driven character customization friendly as it used to be.

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Sickness#1007 wrote:

I dont get the diablo references. PoE 1

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Sickness#1007 wrote:

poe1 was not exactly driven by the fact that you can use support gems multiple times.?

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Sickness#1007 wrote:

How exactly should they "take away the ability to create 9 6-link"? Impose another aribtrary restriction that has the exact same downsides?

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yhn_yohan#2057 wrote:

I don't see how spamming the same supportgem in every skill slot is promoting creativeness.
I think the limitations if anything is enforcing people to come up with new solutions.

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bobtank#2490 wrote:

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Sickness#1007 wrote:

I dont get the diablo references. PoE 1

Do a quick search for act1/2/3 diablo 2.

Poe2 act 1 = diablo 2 act 1s rogue encampment dark woods theme.

Poe2 act 2 = diablo 2 act 2s Lut gholein desert theme.

Poe2 act 3 = diablo 3s kurast docks abandoned Aztec type theme.

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Sickness#1007 wrote:

poe1 was not exactly driven by the fact that you can use support gems multiple times.?

It was a feature in the game ever since closed beta so yeah, it objectively was a core feature of the game that made it stand out amongst other games in the market by its ability to give the player a much more creative approach to building their chatacters compared to other games.

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Sickness#1007 wrote:

How exactly should they "take away the ability to create 9 6-link"? Impose another aribtrary restriction that has the exact same downsides?

If the downsides are exactly the same then pick the option that has more upsides. It's really amazing that has to be spelled out for you.