Boss reset on death in PoE2 will be a deal breaker IMO

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Thesuffering wrote:

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ValfaderTV wrote:

Friendly reminder to not take anything seriously from people without supporter packs and 40/40 when it comes to this game's future. You're not invested in it. We are.

That aint fair some people simply arent interested in challenges but still support the game.

Some people also choose not to show their supporter badges.

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Varana wrote:

Are the people arguing for boss reset also huge fans of the Labyrinth mechanic? That's the PoE version of "you died, do it all again to continue" and it was pretty divisive in its time. Seems uncontroversial now.

labyrinth got nerved due to one person who didn't like it: turtledove, being an allmighty foe like his ancestors who already removed "timed loot" and "free for all" with superior typing skills and massive time investments.

and like his ancestors, after they got what they wanted, they left the game for good. i really hope the door didn't not hit him on his way out.

if i were ggg i would have made labyrinth mandatory for progression into the following acts to prevent bots easily entering the chaos orb farm zones and also weed out those glass cannon builds and non gamers.

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"boss resets on death" will make boss fights more interesting cause they don't need to design it for 6 portals anymore but just one.

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vio wrote:

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Varana wrote:

Are the people arguing for boss reset also huge fans of the Labyrinth mechanic? That's the PoE version of "you died, do it all again to continue" and it was pretty divisive in its time. Seems uncontroversial now.

labyrinth got nerved due to one person who didn't like it: turtledove, being an allmighty foe like his ancestors who already removed "timed loot" and "free for all" with superior typing skills and massive time investments.

and like his ancestors, after they got what they wanted, they left the game for good. i really hope the door didn't not hit him on his way out.

if i were ggg i would have made labyrinth mandatory for progression into the following acts to prevent bots easily entering the chaos orb farm zones and also weed out those glass cannon builds and non gamers.

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"boss resets on death" will make boss fights more interesting cause they don't need to design it for 6 portals anymore but just one.

Yo I was the first one to say it was bad gameplay - Turtledove was just 10,000x more persistent about it.

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innervation wrote:

Yo I was the first one to say it was bad gameplay - Turtledove was just 10,000x more persistent about it.

i give you the credit where it's due.

and labyrinth was about bad gameplay, also true.

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you don't plan leaving anytime soon?

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xPiranha wrote:

hoho 40/40 is nothing when you can simply buy challenges. Take your ego
elsewhere.

we dont have supp packs either. we are not worthy to talk to him :(

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vio wrote:

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innervation wrote:

Yo I was the first one to say it was bad gameplay - Turtledove was just 10,000x more persistent about it.

i give you the credit where it's due.

and labyrinth was about bad gameplay, also true.

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you don't plan leaving anytime soon?

No need to leave, game is fun. Even Kalandra where I did a 9 distance Beyond node and had 3 white items drop I still played more than opening weekend of Labyrinth. Literally logged out saturday/sunday, never did that in any other league. New players won't remember just how bad original lab was, they made a lot of good changes over the years (and characters are a lot stronger/faster) but I'm still glad its going away for PoE2.

Well, this certainly didn't go in the direction I thought it would, with people trying to invalidate my opinion because I don't have supporter packs.

The thing is, it's pretty stupid to try to invalidate an opinion based on how much money I may or may not have spent, because that is immaterial to the point of my original post.

I also didn't expect people to literally turn into Dark Souls trolls and start saying variations of "Git gud", but, here we are.

So much elitism, but that really shouldn't have surprised me. (I'm well aware of the GGG defense force on this board)

And before someone tries to cast aspersions at me being elite thinking people won't improve, I'm not being elite, I'm being realistic, which is what I was conveying when I said that a multitude of factors would make one shotting bosses very difficult for a subset of the PoE playerbase.

What subset? Well, probably not the subset that goes to the PoE boards obviously, although there's cross over.

Rather, people who just play games to have fun, with a limited timeframe, that aren't the greatest at the mechanical parts of gaming.

The way I see it, there's only three groups of people who are going to keep banging away at bosses over and over, people who love PoE, people who love ARPGs in general, and the odd Darksouls/Difficult game lover who somehow found their way here. That's it. Everyone else is going to find greener pastures.

GGG has admitted, I think, that Brutus is a major roadblock where players quit. Now imagine that instead of being able to bum rush Brutus over and over, players have him reset every time. You really think many people are going to stick around?

if bosses have bullet hell phases, memory games, permanent area denial (such as permanent degen pools), requiring split second dodging... i think i m out.

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exsea wrote:

if bosses have bullet hell phases, memory games, permanent area denial (such as permanent degen pools), requiring split second dodging... i think i m out.

100% it will bro, 100% guaranteed. Boss shenanigans is GGG's signature game design.

It wouldn't surprise me if death closes the active map.

In last epochs map equivalent did it also work like this. Never was a big issue because you can simply out gear bosses when needed in Last Epoch. But could be a problem if gear can't prevent boss one shots.