Current Minion Survivability Problems... Video of the Problem

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Bleak_Horizon wrote:
Orbaal = Nothing to show but words. No PoB, Video, or Stream - 8 years
jsuslak313 = Nothing to show but words. No PoB, Video, or Stream - 11 years


All talk..

A lot of hot air going around here



Dear Black_Horizon, I totally agree with you. Please do not answer this kind of uber-zuper genius bla bla kids.

I also playing minion builds. Leagues ago I decided to play only in Standard for to make my dream Carrion Golem build with my tons of currecny. Result is nearly same with you. There is no way to do it after many nerfs. Now I gave up to try.

Only one way I found;

play in Std, buy one handed weapon with (min 1 mirror);

+1 to Level of Socketed Gems
Socketed Gems are Supported by Level 20 Brutality
Socketed Gems are Supported by Level 20 Maim
Socketed Gems are supported by Level 20 Multistrike
Socketed Gems are supported by Level 20 Increased Critical Damage
Socketed Skills deal 40% more Attack Damage ....

Buy a The squire shield, buy a Mageblood, buy a perfect helmet with right enchant (if any in trade site), buy 35& effect Large Clusters and high end other craps and enjoy if possible.

And wait for next patch notes with crossfingers.


Last edited by oraburasura#2183 on Mar 27, 2023, 11:34:40 PM
New boss mechanics like Maven's memory game ignore block. Stacking block wouldn't help in those cases.

Exarch meatballs, shaper balls, bullet hell, etc. are designed to one-shot the summoner, so why should minions be invulnerable to those things?

Naturally the next level for minion defense is to make them smarter. Add a new keystone, "Sentient Minions": Minions are intelligent and can play along with Maven's memory game and dodge meatballs and bullet hell. They will also use blink skills, guard skills or teleport to town when low life.
Out of interest is there justification for why its a problem that minions don't survive in simulacrum? I raise that as a point because there are already a shitload of build archetypes that can't do simulacrum either.

Is the goal that it should be achievable for everyone? In which case the entire sim design needs changing not minions. Also capped block + block recovery lets them survive in there the same as regular players its just not considered worth the opportunity cost to do so.

Can't speak for the Ubers i've no experience of them with a summoner.
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Draegnarrr wrote:
Out of interest is there justification for why its a problem that minions don't survive in simulacrum? I raise that as a point because there are already a shitload of build archetypes that can't do simulacrum either.

Is the goal that it should be achievable for everyone? In which case the entire sim design needs changing not minions. Also capped block + block recovery lets them survive in there the same as regular players its just not considered worth the opportunity cost to do so.

Can't speak for the Ubers i've no experience of them with a summoner.


spectre's can do similacrum fine.. i would assume most minions can as well with chaos resistance and other resistances capped or close to, Never completed one solo as of yet but compared to uber eater its definitely much more possible and I'm not scared of it(i do take the last 10 waves somewhat seriously)

the deep endgame is something i've only just started to step into with spectres at a realistic level and i doubt i can reproduce easily the gear i have from Sanctum, If my build were not unpopular to an extreme i'd not have a lot of my gear and definitely not be able to go into uber eater and complain.

Ubers shouldn't be "accessible" though imo they're there for a challenge.. I'm not happy i completely failed uber-eater but if i had curbstomped him i'd feel less interested in engaging with the endgame in the future, challenges that are not easy to overcome are needed for endgame progression (at least for me)

If i had my way we'd have bosses so hard they might never be defeated just for the sake of it xD

Innocence forgives you
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Bleak_Horizon wrote:


11 years of playing and a lot minion builds. Let's see that great minion build ?

Ps.. 11 x 2 = 22 builds. I've made about 30+ this league. I lost count.


Oh man, where do I start...2 PER LEAGUE (at least). Check your math my friend. Or maybe that's why you can't figure out how to keep your minions alive because math isn't your forte? Also, you make 30 builds in one league, but learn nothing from build 1 to build 30...so its just 30 of the SAME build, or exceptionally similar. Smh man. Also 30 builds in one league? So you played each one for like 4 days? And you couldn't do the ubers? GASP. Making build after build is not learning...taking a single build and tweaking and perfecting until it works is learning. You fall into the insanity trap: repeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

As far as proof, Orbaal DID provide proof which you ignored. Well I don't like to say proof, but rather "evidence" of certain ways that point to exactly why your minions die. I don't need to provide proof, I offered you possible solutions. It is on YOU to take those solutions and see if they work. And furthermore, as far as proof goes, I pointed you to Ghazzy (I think I mistakenly said Ghastly last time lol) who has 100s of videos on workable, survivable minion builds from no currency to massive currency. He has spent countless hours documenting and testing nearly every mechanic there is for minions and how they cooperate. There are many other videos that also prove this. All your videos show is your lack of understanding and balance.

I hate to say this because I know it sounds really arrogant, but at this point in my PoE career I don't need to prove what I say with screenshots/videos/etc. That's just a waste of time. Knowing how the game works, and knowing the counters is enough to assume it'll work. 100% of the time? Of course not.

Ubers are the end of the end content in the game. Simulacrum 20/25+ is also the end of the end content. It doesn't take a genius to realize that, unless you have the best of the best items or damn near it, you SHOULDN'T be beating that content!

Also...on top of ALL OF THIS is the argument about specific ascendancies providing an edge. Why shouldn't a golemancer elementalist provide a unique buff that other classes can't get without heavy investment? It is the entire point of the ascendancy choice! Why shouldn't a necromancer be better/easier with minions than a freaking assassin? Total balance = loss of identity = pointless choices. Although it WOULD be pretty damn interesting to have an item (ring/amulet) that grants 1 random ascendancy keystone to any class. That would certainly shake things up. Forbidden gems on steroids lol.
Last edited by jsuslak313#7615 on Mar 28, 2023, 1:56:09 PM
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Oh man, where do I start...2 PER LEAGUE (at least). Check your math my friend. Or maybe that's why you can't figure out how to keep your minions alive because math isn't your forte? Also, you make 30 builds in one league, but learn nothing from build 1 to build 30...so its just 30 of the SAME build, or exceptionally similar. Smh man. Also 30 builds in one league? So you played each one for like 4 days? And you couldn't do the ubers? GASP. Making build after build is not learning...taking a single build and tweaking and perfecting until it works is learning. You fall into the insanity trap: repeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

As far as proof, Orbaal DID provide proof which you ignored. Well I don't like to say proof, but rather "evidence" of certain ways that point to exactly why your minions die. I don't need to provide proof, I offered you possible solutions. It is on YOU to take those solutions and see if they work. And furthermore, as far as proof goes, I pointed you to Ghazzy (I think I mistakenly said Ghastly last time lol) who has 100s of videos on workable, survivable minion builds from no currency to massive currency. He has spent countless hours documenting and testing nearly every mechanic there is for minions and how they cooperate. There are many other videos that also prove this. All your videos show is your lack of understanding and balance.

I hate to say this because I know it sounds really arrogant, but at this point in my PoE career I don't need to prove what I say with screenshots/videos/etc. That's just a waste of time. Knowing how the game works, and knowing the counters is enough to assume it'll work. 100% of the time? Of course not.

Ubers are the end of the end content in the game. Simulacrum 20/25+ is also the end of the end content. It doesn't take a genius to realize that, unless you have the best of the best items or damn near it, you SHOULDN'T be beating that content!

Also...on top of ALL OF THIS is the argument about specific ascendancies providing an edge. Why shouldn't a golemancer elementalist provide a unique buff that other classes can't get without heavy investment? It is the entire point of the ascendancy choice! Why shouldn't a necromancer be better/easier with minions than a freaking assassin? Total balance = loss of identity = pointless choices. Although it WOULD be pretty damn interesting to have an item (ring/amulet) that grants 1 random ascendancy keystone to any class. That would certainly shake things up. Forbidden gems on steroids lol.


You have no proof of anything. Just words and insults that are false about my builds.

Ps.. every day i kill ubers and get to 20+ Sim on my streams with testing builds and showcase builds.

**** Orabaal and you are Dinosaurs and need to go extinct "
Last edited by Bleak_Horizon#0411 on Mar 28, 2023, 6:08:55 PM
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Bleak_Horizon wrote:

You have no proof of anything. Just words and insults that are false about my builds.


I would wager that more help is being offered than ridicule, Some of the opinions here have been hard earned, I don't know most of the people here personally but after some time you'll see a lot of the same faces being extremely helpful and offering very constructive feedback all over the forum which if you spend a lot of time here you may come to value.

I guess that I'm saying adjust your perception here a little and you'll find this a much more inviting place, I don't see anyone out to get you but when it comes to stuff like this it will be picked apart.

Also Thanks for posting content for the game, I haven't looked at your channel but i hope you're trying to teach where you can.
Innocence forgives you
Streaming live now https://youtube.com/watch?v=hJFpZtg0VKg

&&&& You will see my builds can do Ubers $$$$
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I hate to say this because I know it sounds really arrogant, but at this point in my PoE career I don't need to prove what I say with screenshots/videos/etc. That's just a waste of time. Knowing how the game works, and knowing the counters is enough to assume it'll work. 100% of the time? Of course not.


You're right! Arrogant is not the word for it. Foolish is more like it... You come off has a huge joke to me.

" Being able to see something kinda of helps the credibility along "
George Carlin RIP
Last edited by Bleak_Horizon#0411 on Mar 28, 2023, 10:30:04 PM
I mean if you just wanted to see it happening you would just go on youtube, check one of the videos there and that's it. Or maybe follow ghazzys stream for a bit, maybe you can see it there too. It's not like there is no proof out there that you are wrong. You just refuse to see it. Another picture perfect case of Dunning Krueger, not that it isn't entertaining to watch :D

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