Nerf fest is coming

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Thesuffering wrote:
The major nerfs will be explained in a livestream.
Chris will call them "buffs" to the fun.
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so nerfs will be in patch notes?
dont they only release patch notes like 1 or 2 days before league start? kinda hard to plan your build like this...
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Lyutsifer665 wrote:
so nerfs will be in patch notes?
dont they only release patch notes like 1 or 2 days before league start? kinda hard to plan your build like this...


Pretty much like every league, not like it's something new out of the box
Flames and madness. I'm so glad I didn't miss the fun.
I think the deal is they think negativity is what killed previous patches. I don't think GGG wants people talking about it. They want as little time as possible for people to talk and work out if something is actually a buff and then find out it's a nerf ETC.

Just look at the streamers, they are all saying how stupid you are if you don't think Seismic is OP. Yet Ben the best PoE player in the world said Seismic is no better than any other top tier skill. But very few people actually heard Ben say that, while hundreds of thousands heard Jungroan, Ziz, and Kobeblackmamba say it was OP. We all know Ben has more knowledge in his pinky than any of them do in their entire body, yet the masses believe Seismic is OP. Yet if you bring up what Ben said people will say Ben doesn't actually believe that and it was a rouse to prove how good he was. Even though this was in an interview and not in some rando thread.

That is how zombified people are. They think their favorite streamer >>>>>>> than the best player in the world. Even when their favorite streamer said Ben is the best player in the world. It's some very strong cognitive dissonance.

They all know it's poison that was OP and it was the changes to curses that allowed Seismic to scale, yet both Ziz and Jungroan said it hadn't been nerfed since 3.18 which was a flat out lie. Seismic took a triple nerf in patch 3.19 and hasn't won any tournaments since. Yet the masses believe Seismic is OP because of streamers.
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Valkaneer wrote:
I think the deal is they think negativity is what killed previous patches. I don't think GGG wants people talking about it. They want as little time as possible for people to talk and work out if something is actually a buff and then find out it's a nerf ETC.

Just look at the streamers, they are all saying how stupid you are if you don't think Seismic is OP. Yet Ben the best PoE player in the world said Seismic is no better than any other top tier skill. But very few people actually heard Ben say that, while hundreds of thousands heard Jungroan, Ziz, and Kobeblackmamba say it was OP. We all know Ben has more knowledge in his pinky than any of them do in their entire body, yet the masses believe Seismic is OP. Yet if you bring up what Ben said people will say Ben doesn't actually believe that and it was a rouse to prove how good he was. Even though this was in an interview and not in some rando thread.

That is how zombified people are. They think their favorite streamer >>>>>>> than the best player in the world. Even when their favorite streamer said Ben is the best player in the world. It's some very strong cognitive dissonance.

They all know it's poison that was OP and it was the changes to curses that allowed Seismic to scale, yet both Ziz and Jungroan said it hadn't been nerfed since 3.18 which was a flat out lie. Seismic took a triple nerf in patch 3.19 and hasn't won any tournaments since. Yet the masses believe Seismic is OP because of streamers.


What if Ben is wrong?
^^ I mean... it is better than the rest for speedrunning due to easy itemization in early/mid game with pretty great defenses/survivability. For end game there are far better skills, but those are generally not that good for levling.

If GGG makes Catarina not drop helmet until ilvl 75+ and or some tuning to poison at early levels, the meta will probably change xD

Last edited by arknath#4740 on Mar 29, 2023, 12:32:35 AM
im kind of upset that they nerfed spectres and summons overall


you play as a summoner you are nowhere faster than tornado shot


yes i know, we have new minion rolls on bone shields etcetera

What % of players are speedrunning?
What % of players are even playing traps? From what i understand the masses don't like traps and mines.

So it doesn't matter that much imo. Game should be balanced for diversity first and foremost and it's not like Seismic is overall totally op and oppressing in sc trade.

Tornado shot, Spark and Rightous Fire however are very oppressing imo. They simply get played to much and that sucks way more than being able to clear the atlas on a couple of chaos worth of gear with seismic trap, a skill that most players don't even like to play.

I bet more players league start with cyclone than with seismic trap, lol
Last edited by Strickl3r#3809 on Mar 29, 2023, 12:30:15 PM
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Strickl3r wrote:
What % of palyers are speedrunning?
What % of players are even playing traps. From what i understand the masses don't like traps and mines.

So it doesn't matter that much imo. Game should be balanced for diversity first and foremost and it's not like Seismic is overall totally op and oppressing in sc trade.

Tornado shot, Spark and Rightous Fire however are very opressing imo. They simply get played to much and that sucks way more than being able to clear the atlas on a couple of chaos with seismic traps, that most players don't even like to play.

I bet more players league start with cyclone than with seimsic trap, lol


That's the rub.

The amount of speed runners and trap players are low, really low, in comparison.

However the amount of racers and hardcore sweats playing Seismic for example, at launch, is high. The amount of those players posting on here and reddit and or streaming is also high.

So what ends up happening is vocal people complain, GGG looks at the data, and can't find the middle ground. I feel for GGG here. The top end constantly pushing for meta changes and nerfs, and the other 99% trying to keep up with patch notes, and trying to understand why skills need this treatment.

It's tough out there being an average PoE player.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
- Abraham Lincoln
Last edited by DarthSki44#6905 on Mar 29, 2023, 12:35:04 PM
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Strickl3r wrote:
What % of players are speedrunning?
What % of players are even playing traps? From what i understand the masses don't like traps and mines.

So it doesn't matter that much imo. Game should be balanced for diversity first and foremost and it's not like Seismic is overall totally op and oppressing in sc trade.

Tornado shot, Spark and Rightous Fire however are very oppressing imo. They simply get played to much and that sucks way more than being able to clear the atlas on a couple of chaos worth of gear with seismic trap, a skill that most players don't even like to play.

I bet more players league start with cyclone than with seismic trap, lol


I'll be starting the new league with cyclone ^^.

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