Nerf fest is coming

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Thesuffering wrote:

You are a bit jaded.

It's just learning from experience. How many more times does GGG need to lie/tell only half the truth before people finally realize that you can't trust the sales guys? And yes, Chris is essentially the sales guy when it comes to communication with the playerbase.

Try to think critically for a bit would you? If they stopped the manifesto because it can't convey their reasoning, where would they convey their reasoning if not there? In a live stream that barely last's an hour and has to give an overview over all the new stuff coming with an expansion? And one that is hold by Chris no less who is only remotely connected to the balance decisions made and knows nothing in depth? Do you really believe that this is better suited to convey a reasoning for a complex matter than one or two decently sized manifestos? Come on. The patch notes can't do it either, they typically only contain facts and numbers, if there is reasoning included at all then it's one or 2 sentences, that's it.

This has nothing to do with not being able to convey information, manifestos are by far their best way of doing so if they want to do that. It's just that they don't want to and the reason is obvious.

If 3.21 will indeed be "definitely not a nerf-fest", why would they break tradition and skip manifesto at all? Why miss a chance to post "positive" piece of news? Or maybe they know it is not so positive?

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Valkaneer wrote:

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innervation wrote:

What if Ben is wrong?

He's not the only one that said it....

Are the devs beholden to always nerf what Ben says is overpowered? And what does overpowered mean? He plays the game in a way that very little of GGG's audience does.

Top racers will always use the best skill. Whenever top racers settle on the best skill to race with, they will call it overpowered. This isn't nuanced enough, because whether the top skill is 1% stronger than option 2 or 1000% stronger, they will still use the same word.

Something has to be the top racing skill - when balancing the devs should take a lot more into account other than what a handful of people playing 20 hours a day do for 3 days at league start.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

This has nothing to do with not being able to convey information, manifestos are by far their best way of doing so if they want to do that. It's just that they don't want to and the reason is obvious.

Well yeah, the feeling I got is that the main thing they're getting from manifestos is people quoting its juiciest nerf/buff reasoning on reddit with "lol, they don't even play their game" and chuckling along with the streamers. So, I'd agree that they probably don't want to, the past few years we've been slowly getting less and less communication, which kinda sucks but I wouldn't be surprised if it resulted in 80% less stomach ulcer in GGG office.

Sure, we could say, "Why did you want to be a movie star if you hate people crowding you in public and getting escorted by bodyguards everywhere", and that's true. However, being a game dev isn't fully equivalent, having anything beyond basic communication isn't a must, you can run a game successfully without airing all of your laundry. Maybe we could say that trying to have good communication is a remnant of sorts from their days as a garage company, when you're small you're talking to a room, when you get big you're talking to a mob, there's a reason so few big developers even try it.

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xaerobb wrote:

"Our balance goals with 3.21 are to provide more options and more fun for as many builds as possible, rather than reworking game systems in potentially disruptive ways. While there are of course some small nerfs, 3.21 is most definitely not a nerf-fest."

Source: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3359438

funny, sound like the government pension explain in france hahahaha.

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laurent67 wrote:

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xaerobb wrote:

"Our balance goals with 3.21 are to provide more options and more fun for as many builds as possible, rather than reworking game systems in potentially disruptive ways. While there are of course some small nerfs, 3.21 is most definitely not a nerf-fest."

Source: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3359438

funny, sound like the government pension explain in france hahahaha.

That one entertains me greatly. France has somewhere around the most generous pension system in the world. After the proposed changes, it will still be somewhere around the most generous pension system in the world... but holy fuck, people hate that nerf :D

i prefere the old patch version, without explaination, but just the number.
the most funny game is to press ctr+F and check how many "no longer" is in the patchnote.

here i always have the impression:

"it's not really a nerf, and if you think it's one, it's because, you don't
understand, so we're explain you again ..until you're agree"

in my mind:
"dude, i'm not dumb, just give number, we're enough smart to see if it's bigger or smaller ....."

;p

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Thesuffering wrote:

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Networm13 wrote:

It's all about marketing these days. I remembered the "promises" before 3.15 and 3.19 and we can see how that turned out.

Think this way: if build diversity actually gets better, why would they have to hide the manifesto? Wouldn't a detailed manifesto about how more builds are viable in next league make players hyped? It's fishy.

They stopped manifestos because they felt that manifestos will not and can not explain their reasoning for doing things too well. So they stopped manifestos. There will still be complete patch notes.

If they need to explain things in detail they will do it on stream.

Nah they stopped manifestos because their reasons never made any sense and it probably never will.

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Xyel wrote:

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laurent67 wrote:

funny, sound like the government pension explain in france hahahaha.

That one entertains me greatly. France has somewhere around the most generous pension system in the world. After the proposed changes, it will still be somewhere around the most generous pension system in the world... but holy fuck, people hate that nerf :D

You look like you've got a lot of MTX. Can I have some? You'll still have more MTX than 70% of players when I'm done looting what you bought and paid for :)

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innervation wrote:

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Xyel wrote:

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laurent67 wrote:

funny, sound like the government pension explain in france hahahaha.

That one entertains me greatly. France has somewhere around the most generous pension system in the world. After the proposed changes, it will still be somewhere around the most generous pension system in the world... but holy fuck, people hate that nerf :D

You look like you've got a lot of MTX. Can I have some? You'll still have more MTX than 70% of players when I'm done looting what you bought and paid for :)

I've been trying to figure out how this relates to what I said, but I'm not managing to.

I mean, what you're making is typically used against socially-generous policies... but French pension system is heavily socially-generous, so much that it generates a huge deficit, and the gov wants to make it a bit less socially-generous... so , I don't get what point you're trying to make.