Streamers are all gushing over D4 - what am I missing? It seems extremely shallow compared to POE

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Nevzat wrote:

I know it's only L25 cap, but we know everything is just going to be copy paste repeat with higher numbers as per blizzards style.

I've been looking at opinions of streamers and the majority of POE streamers seem to be loving it with very few criticisms.

It definitely did not live up to my expectations, I am not a fan of the MMO open world game and it feels way too theme park and like a safe and predictable playthrough that won't really vary from one run to the next. No matter how good an item drops, in a couple levels any yellow will outshine it etc. Monster scaling, the very long invuln phases for everything... the list goes on.

Loot is everything in an ARPG and D4 fails that badly. POE reigns supreme and i'm glad tbh.

Interested in others opinions on the game though. Are there sponsorship deals at play etc? I just can't get over how so few people are picking up that it plays very similarly to D3 with copy pasted assets and animations, fonts, etc.

its a reason chris wilson feared d4 and wanted poe2 be out before d4.

Game is great and diablo and an arpg.
Poe2 wont be an arpg it be a crafting simulator.

For people with a life outside games d4 be awesome.
poe2 be for no lifers that can grind 15 hours a day.

I think you can compare without 50 hours and -$100.

- mmo features, meh.
- mmo level scaled monsters, meh.
- heavy on mmo skill cooldowns, meh.
- same d2 classes, same d2 skills. Mind blown they've gone this safe on creativity.
- uninspired dungeonss, no procedural generation.
- smart loot / green or red item simplicity.

If it plays like D3 with lost ark features, which is what i've seen it's an easy pass. It's like a transformers movie where you supposed to "park your brain at the door" it's a poPCorn fLick. My brain doesn't park so ??

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Kranyum wrote:

Diablo 4 actually has a fun gameplay - while this piece of shit is a click simulator.

What the fuck are you talking about YOU'RE BEING A CLICK SIMULATOR in diablo 4 as well and any other ARPG's LOL

WHO SAYS that honestly?

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Coconutdoggy wrote:

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Kranyum wrote:

Diablo 4 actually has a fun gameplay - while this piece of shit is a click simulator.

What the fuck are you talking about YOU'RE BEING A CLICK SIMULATOR in diablo 4 as well and any other ARPG's LOL

WHO SAYS that honestly?

Funny how Chris wanted us to do less clicking and then adds mobs which spew the floor full with unid fractured stuff. It is a frustrating back and forth with Chris and his vision.

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Khallis wrote:

play the first 20 levels of POE ONLY and tell me the deep gameplay it has.

quit being a fanboy bot.

I need to quote this more often.

Yet I do agree that people that have invested a lot in this game(have a carrot up in their behind that the game they invested in and thought it will carry on forever and ever and keep their nice vanity skins) , are getting defensive.

Because 90% of the comments pro POE come from people with a lot of investment in this game...

While a lot of the money goes to blizzard on the other hand...Guess from the 100-200k players still wanting to "make POE great...not again just great" the other 2.5 millions of people still pumping blizzards ass don't even know that this game or this community exists.

I guarantee a lot more than you will have in D4.

At least an aura or 2 (a herald, vitality, precision etc.), a 3-link or maybe a lucky 4 link, possible an OP for the level early unique, access to 20-40 active skill gems and more supports -> making likely 100 or more permutations of skills you could be using.

Compare that to the likely 3-4 skills each class has without any permutations in D4 by that stage.


There's also a possibility as a noob you could die to brutus or something, if your rushing the content and chose poor skills.

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AmpegV4 wrote:

I guarantee a lot more than you will have in D4.

At least an aura, 3-link or maybe a lucky 4 link, possible early unique, access to 20-40 active skill gems and more supports -> making likely 100 or more permutations of skills you could be using.

compare that to the likely 3-4 skills each class has without any permutations in D4 by that stage.

Currently POE has a lot of active skills...And people are using like 2%...Because mechanical wise the other are retarded...

And while I do hate Asmongold and his hypocrisy the dude has a point...you can have a million skills to choose from, if 3 of them are better and the rest are just retarded mechanical wise or damage wise or scaling wise , there are only 3 skills in the game and not a million.

Why have n skills that trigger traps when everyone will use seismic cuz it's just better...I mean has anyone ever used conversion trap in end game ? I know that syphoning trap was used in a niche scenario but conversion trap ? Why is it even in the game. Or Flamethrower trap for that matter.

Unless scaled to a degree were everything is viable some of the n skills and m supports are just there to be there and to have something new to develop.

Even if you expect some in depth mathematics to have your doze of copium, some skills will be meta some will not....So your permutation are actually halfed if there is no valid way to use them.

POE would scale much more better in an mmo scenario were different purities would come at hand ( and not just 5 ways) , and different skills would have a chance to shine in a trifecta party. Support skills are just wasted if you play a singleplayer emulator.

P.S can you point a class that only has 3-4 skills in Diablo 3-4 cuz I remember a lot more. Just like poe, most of them are useless , but Diablo 4 tries at least to change that by scaling less skills into more diversity...It will be like d2 were you expertise yourself into like bone spear, or hammer but leave room for other skills like buffadin to shine in let's say end game party...

I will not be surprised if people will take the barbarian or druid just for the tanking aspect and the sorceress just for the amazing aoe, while the rogue goes a lot more for mobility fights...

All I'm doing is laughing at all the people who actually paid 100$ to play a crappy console demo containing maybe worth 4 hours including 2 hours of cutscenes. Not to mention staring at a UI made by a baffoon.
The very sad part though is that many of them actually think that's worth it. I think that is exactly how Blizzard wants the world to be, people brainlessly throwing money at them. I think we should all be grateful that devs like GGG exist and that if we only played AAA games creativity would be long buried already.
And for the streamers playing more than 4 hours, I guess they desperately want D4 to be good so they just play until time is up, they got that free key at least. I doubt many of them only have many good things to say about it. Unless they are Lost Ark lovers, it makes sense they would like D4 too.

That's only a problem if you google guides and let streamers play the game for you though. Which is admittedly what the bulk of players do because failing / not winning is too much to handle.

Scaling monsters and heavy cooldowns to heavily control the damage output of skills and have the game "balanced" makes for a dull game. The best ARPG's are primarily single-player focused games, these games don't have to have perfect balance. Finding OP builds in the passives, ascendencies, items and skill combinations IS the fun.


I couldn't imagine anything more boring than steam-rolling all the content in this game because i can google Ziz/Streamer EA build. then also not playing or experimenting with the other 200 skills because I know which 3 are 'the best'.


the game is what you make of it.

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leto2626 wrote:

All I'm doing is laughing at all the people who actually paid 100$ to play a crappy console demo containing maybe worth 4 hours including 2 hours of cutscenes. Not to mention staring at a UI made by a baffoon.
The very sad part though is that many of them actually think that's worth it. I think that is exactly how Blizzard wants the world to be, people brainlessly throwing money at them. I think we should all be grateful that devs like GGG exist and that if we only played AAA games creativity would be long buried already.
And for the streamers playing more than 4 hours, I guess they desperately want D4 to be good so they just play until time is up, they got that free key at least. I doubt many of them only have many good things to say about it. Unless they are Lost Ark lovers, it makes sense they would like D4 too.

Yea , I have the same laugh at people paying 400-500$ to GGG to design a useless divination that will end up in a stash somewhere were no one uses it...

Regarding the UI, ehhh it is what it is, maybe it will get better...judging a game by the UI seems silly enough.

The streamers do not want desperately to be good...Your guess is wrong...They just make content out of what's there...And since D4 is the new addition they make content out of that...It's like you working for a company that has a project that lasts 2 days...You want to squeeze as much work hours from that as possible..

So yea, like I said before, only people who have invested in the game with a lot supporter packs are shunning what it shows as a good game to play...Does it have it's flaws, yes...Does it not live to it's name, maybe...Is it too expensive for the flaws it has, eh maybe...

But people are just shunning a good gaming experience just because "ooooo , my game that I invested so much has competition"...."poe is so complex, diablo is for kindergarden bleah..." .... "POE is the real deal everything else is just stupid"..."Since we have no clue about what we are talking, we will just take whatever random streamer said about the UI and make it a solid proof argument that the game sucks because we have a bad UI"

POE deserves it's community...They call it "hardcore community"....It's not hardcore, POE can literally be played by my cat..The only hardcore thing is trying to understand all of the stupid crafting and how some lines affect different skill in some sort of way...

There is nothing complex about that...Except the fact that you waste more time on craft of exile and on youtube instead of just playing...A book that needs explaining after reading it is a bad written book...And even if people like me think complexity is more than needed, like a duck streamer said "In POE I stress about everything while in D4 I don't".

I forgot the last time I actually identified something in poe, except from leveling.
I forgot the last time I actually tried to have fun and not just be on the lookout for some sort of 1 shot stupidity from out of screen some chain arrow from last boss in another map. (cuz poe is not complex, it just scales numbers, mobs life/mobs damage vs how much you can achieve and that is balance, so yea in delve 1000 you could be one shotted by an arrow spit by the last mob on the map)
I forgot the last time I saw something on my screen except leveling, cuz I need to juice my maps to levels my graphic card barely understands.
I forgot the last time I had to not think about 15 layers of defense ( that get nerf everytime), some shenanigan bull that needs a streamer that plays 15 hours a day to explain in order to have a solid layer of defense.
I forgot the last time I didn't have to read 3 guides, 2 excel files, waste 15 hours on craft of exile to craft a semi decent item because I have a life that is worth spent somewhere else than farm divines to play casino POE.
I forgot the last time I didn't have to RNG everything just to progress.
...The last time a boss needed more than invulnerable phases to just be relevant.
...The last time someone trivialized content with enough hours into the game ( which doesn't happen in d3 or d4 from what I saw)
Forgot the last time I had to calculate every damn point to just have enough mana to run 4 auras, which get nerfed every time, cuz yea we are too tanky, in a game were everyone kills ubers in an instant.
Actually forgot the last time I liked melee ...Cuz in POE it's there to be there as an archetype.
Forgot the time were it actually felt good to actually play whatever skill I wanted and not waste 25 hours to respecc and GOD forbid not level my gems...
I forgot how it's like to actually play in a party...cuz the only time I do this in POE is when I need a boss to be killed prior to one shotting it 2 days later.

I did forget all this cuz I've been playing too much poe...

What is important to say is, that I forgot the last time I played a game, and not just farm to farm to play a casino that might not be in my favor...And you people call that complexity (I do like the extreme complex mechanic behind CWDT ward loop...if that goes away, POE can play itself I am off to Mario)

Look at my gear, some of my gear was made by pure luck while some leagues I farm so much that it burns my soul out...