Streamers are all gushing over D4 - what am I missing? It seems extremely shallow compared to POE

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Phrazz wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

The only downside I can see here is what do you do if you are struggling? Logically every time you level you are immediately weaker for a bit until you find upgrades. I could see how that might not feel great. Beyond changing to world tier I, or getting rng lucky, I could see progression getting a bit tricky. No one wants to min / max during the campaign. Well maybe some do, but not most.

"Tricky" isn't the word I would use. "Stale" would be more fitting. Do your character actually feel better and more powerful as you level up? Do you actually FEEL the progression of your character through the progression systems and not just gear? Or are the progression system just a "catch-up mechanic"?

This is what PoE and a few other ARPG do very well: At level 1 you feel weak - at level whatnot you feel strong based on the choices you've made along the way - as the game lets you overlevel if you want, and that you're able to scale speed, AoE and whatnot from the get-go, through the passive tree, gems and other sources depending on the game.

This is probably where the paragon boards come into play. Do we know if we'll be able to play around with them in the next beta?

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Anyways I'm not so sure in general that its a bad thing once we get to the endgame. It means every area in the world will be relevant. That seems like a good thing to me, and also avoids the one issue I dislike most when a game gets an expansion.

This is where I would ask: What makes a game an ARPG and what makes a game an MMO? Because based on leveling, progression, world bosses (raids?), open/shared world and so on, Diablo 4 check more MMO boxes than it does ARPG boxes, at least based on how I've learned to define the genres. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing; I'm not saying MMOs are bad. I just don't see why they have to force this on a ARPG franchise.

I guess this is what players want. Which is sad for an old timer like me.

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eversorgod wrote:

Why is it difficult to understand that a slick looking, slick playing beta of a super popular franchise and massively awaited instalment in a genre that has seen a massive resurgence in popularity recently would be popular with streamers, or anyone else for that matter, boggles the mind, it really does.


Diablo 4 has a different set of agendas than POE and just because something seems to be simpler or less complex does not mean it's worse to play, less engaging or lacking complexity.
They have clearly worked hard on figuring out how to add excitement and engagement without unnecessary complexity, and that's the main area POE has always failed in with all the bloat like an old install of windows xp.

If every game was the same, that would be a very boring world

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osperand66 wrote:

I love POE and have supported it many times over the years. It will continue to be popular and people will continue to play it.

I don't get why people are so protective of a game!

Will D4 kill off POE, no it won't. What it will do is bring a great game out that millions will happily play. I loved the beta, it was good to get back to it's darker roots and i am hyped for the open beta so i can try other classes.

I have bought the game and will play it a lot i am sure.

Don't worry about POE, it can look after itself. Just go enjoy a great game, for the number of hours enjoyment, new games like this are great value in my opinion.

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Networm13 wrote:

So what happen when you want to play 2 live service games?