Four reason i think Diablo IV migh have the edge against poe(2)

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Interesting thoughts and reality you exist in. It certainly provides context to your posts generally speaking, which subsequently helps in how to react to said postings.

I'm not sure if it's trolling or genuine ignorance, but I suppose that doesn't matter much in what response I would have.

Agree to disagree on Tencent.

Its not trolling, im here to play games, not save the world. I also dont disregard companies as a whole, its more like each game separately. As of now i have more problems with how Blizz and EA handle their games i would like to play then Tencent. Its that simple.

Im not some self-righteous hypocrite that cry how world is bad while still using Google, Amazon and MS products and services.

Amazon is kind of bothersome branching out to all these other genre's. Why is the dude a billionaire anyways? Any amateur dev out there would be able to run the Amazon script site or Ebay site. 10,000% easier to run that site, than run Path of Exile or Planetside 2. Or Final Fantasy.

Same goes for the 1920's mailing system. Easy. I don't understand why most billionaires exist. " Dur de dur they were the first the do something some other fool woulda done a year later, lets hand them the keys to the world; fort knox of gold " society man.

New World dull & Lost Ark p2w. Leave. Once Lost Ark forums started banning people from their forums who had any sort of minor criticism. 1 year bans. I knew how monopolies would behave.

Blizzard is no different, doesn't fix alterac valley faction fairness for 17 years, doesn't fix pvp 1 shots for 17 years, doesn't listen to players about open world pvp from start of vanilla, & than I quit. & Later retailer gamer's like Asmon have a whole list of problems from devs not listening for PVE reasons. After that WoW Cash shop annoyances. Overpriced mounts. Expansions that are as thought out as the last season of Game of thrones was. Pay to skip lvl tokens. Failed reforge of WC3. Classic has bot problems. Then office scandels. Devs quit. Sold out to another company. Now Diablo Immortal.

I never tried New World for good reason. I'm more proud than those who tried. Chris hasn't tried New World either, good for him. Who you support is going to matter, or else mmorpgs are going to devolve. To phone game levels. & they have already been devolved ever since the WoW vanilla start year. Besides better graphics. The mmorpg notion for over 10 years has been " just keep waiting ". It still is, right now waiting for like some new 2024 Anime mmorpg or something. BP. Or else who knows. Josh is saying not to overhype Ashes of Creation or any new mmo hype train. Hype trains have died across the gaming empire, fps failed titles as well. If the business model doesn't ruin the game, or early launch bugs, then not revolutionizing the rpg or fps title leaves people wanting more.

At this rate, graphics have very little to do with what makes a good game good. Yes graphics help make the game appear better. & are always awesome. Tho from a Black Desert perspect, where as that game has amazing graphics. Graphics don't provide jakk. I'd rather play with maplestory level of graphics, if that meant the features are x100 better than black desert was. Features & quests are the soul of the rpg. Plenty of mmo's have had better graphics than WoW over the years & those games never killed WoW.

" Diablo IV | Developer Gameplay "

https://youtu.be/94wQxtv_sAc

This feature list sounds awesome. Most people still trust POE more than Blizzard tho & POE has a better track record for ARPG. However Diablo 4's scope of features aren't isolated zones, it's open world, has starter appearance customization, has pvp zones, has endgame npc towns that are reshaped after a fight, has world bosses outside for large party fights, & yet still delivers dungeon maps too. That aren't rolled throw away maps, tho bridged dungeons to the story.

However Blizzard is untrustworthy & neglects listening to their players the right way. So who knows.

Still, after the initial POE 2 drop of a alternative story act for POE 2. I'd still favor POE 2, months after release, to test some of these expanded features D4 is trying to aim at.

I hope both games do well. However I don't need one for one genre & one for the other, I'd like expanded features for both games. Better multiplayer, the feature list for d4 understands this. You may still keep leagues & evolve the party experience or way of exploration for parties.

It's just a matter of who is going to execute these features the best or at all. GGG or Blizzard.

" DIABLO 4 HAS A MASSIVE OPEN WORLD! Open World Explained! World Boss, PvP, Mounts, & More!"

https://youtu.be/tOLoQ6RSXM0


Is POE 2 going to experiment with any open zone features? & I know POE 2 has a wolf druid form, tho does poe 2 have a bear form?

I really like the npc camps that shift after you capture one. Like rogue open zone npc capture the flag towns. 12 people open field bosses good too. Horses also sweet. I wonder how they are going to make the pvp not about 1 shots, poe & d2 devs are gonna learn something from that. If they tune right.

Still would rather have POE's team leading similar features or trying to. & not have to hope D3's or DI's Blizzard is reliable.

Isn't POE 2 trying to rival D4 anyways? Well you rival by expanding your game, not keeping it the same. No d4 player is gonna say " Oh poe is a arpg & d4 is a mmo " naw. They are just gonna compare them by gameplay & gameplay alone. Feature for feature regardless. Roadmap for roadmap. Who has the better roadmap poe 2 or d4?

Then people keep saying " POE 2 isn't a new game, its just a expansion " Well to rival D4, POE 2 is gonna have to be worth two expansions then. With endgame story.

Blizzard may be a bigger business to throw down on open zone or open world features. Tho POE has been making the ARPG maps for way more time, they don't have the ability to bridge their maps together? & not be so portal based.

POE devs make fine maps, they just aren't bridges for explorations sake & the endgame story stops at Act 10 so story isn't immersive enough. So ye POE 2 would have to work on non portal forms of exploration & ways to bring more story immersion to endgame. Or party skill rotation. Which rolled maps ruin both, ruins story immersion & stops bridged maps from happening.

What does d4 mean by " shared world " wonder how many people per server or per town.

I don't need poe 2 to be open world, obviously too late for poe 2 to try that, tho poe 2 should at least aim for Guild Wars 1 or Ragnarok Online standard of open zones. That lead to better endgame towns, open field bosses, party events, guild hangouts outside near a town not isolated instances, & so on. Feature wise. Who has the POE 2 vision board. Should write 2 things. 1) " What we learned from Lost Ark " & how to make a game WAY better than Lost ark to attain 1 million of lost Lost Ark retired players. & 2) " How to rivals D4's feature list " to the best of our engine's ability & add some out of the box prolonged adventure feature that party pc gamer reviewers would talk of. Keep leagues, tho link the environments.

D4 will never match end game depth or itemization of poe.

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RitualMurder wrote:

D4 will never match end game depth or itemization of poe.

And thats the reason it will do better. The sad truth is that most people dont want games as complex as PoE. Avarege gamer is 35, has 2 kids and 8 hours a week to play. Imagine playing PoE when it takes you 2 weeks to get to maps.

Diablo lost its soul (after D3 release) and its fans too. It will be a game like most others based on old glory, just marketing for one season and easy money.

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xaerobb wrote:

Diablo lost its soul (after D3 release) and its fans too. It will be a game like most others based on old glory, just marketing for one season and easy money.

I agree that D3&Reaper of souls as a game is not much compared to PoE BUT it's still a fun power fantasy and i play it almost each league and the actual combat and even leveling is more fun that PoE.

My main point is that i think Diablo, whatever it's going to be mostly finalized under MS or Activision deserves an other chance and shouldn't instantly be called a bad game before it even comes out.

Though i understand why some people think that from D3 being a disappointment and D:Immortal being just a shitty cash grab, tho on that i blame the players more than the devs, why would any sane person waster their time or money on some mobile shit i will never understand.

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xaerobb wrote:

Diablo lost its soul (after D3 release) and its fans too. It will be a game like most others based on old glory, just marketing for one season and easy money.

Really? So Diablo lost its soul, and all the fans? So who will be the millions of players be then?

Man, the Diablo Derangement Syndrome on the PoE forums is actually amusing.

D3 & D2R were great. D4 likely be great too. Nothing they have shown would indicate some sort of disaster.

But hey we will have a beta soon so hands-on should tell the tale, something you cannot even remotely say for PoE2. Hell we dont even have the slightest whisper of an update on PoE2.

To be totally honest I think you could easily make the argument that the current version of Path of Exile lost its soul from 2013, and most of its orginal fans.

Blizzard is dead to me. Was a fan from the first Warcraft but I just can't justify giving them any more money. They are now the pathetic husk of a body bled dry by greed.