Four reason i think Diablo IV migh have the edge against poe(2)

Diablo 4 is going to be the biggest disappointment of your gaming lives to this point (if you didn't live through Diablo 3).

I'm so very sorry for your inevitable pain.

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t0lkien wrote:

Diablo 4 is going to be the biggest disappointment of your gaming lives to this point (if you didn't live through Diablo 3).

I'm so very sorry for your inevitable pain.

I hate to break it to you, but millions of people actually liked D3, including myself. I still play each season for a bit.

Now of course if you didnt enjoy D3 that's ok, but dont fall into that trap of thinking that what you believe is universally accepted.

Edit; and actually D3 is more diverse build and balance wise than PoE, which I find pretty amusing considering the usual tropes.

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Clownkrieger wrote:

However d4 will end up being, lets pause for a moment to thank it/blizzard for fishing away all those MMO-players that otherwise might end up trying PoE 2/4.0, and would then flood the forums with even more of these "PoE needs more MMO-features"-posts.

Amen

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Oh nooos not my wittle single player game with a fan population of 10,000. How will I zoom solo without better party features? Oh nooos. Maybe I'll get to show off loot alone staring at the stash touching my loot like gollum from lotr, my precious solo loot, my precious

No hobbits to share the experience with, just adventures of loot hoarding stash goblins. Let me put on my nerd glasses to talk to Chris about how isolated zones are okay for the stash goblin experience.

The fact is POE would have been x100 better if they at least went the Guild Wars 1 path & they didn't or haven't yet. They went straight D2. D2 was suppose to be for the ART STORY IMMERSION. Which is ironic since maps don't even have story immersion. So wth is going on? Who what? It's like they ignored all the multiplayer players, party players, story players, lore players, questers, exploration players, ALL FOR JUST SOME MAP MODS. Why lose 10 aspects of your game, traded for 1 aspect?

If a WoW Garrison had portals to other dungeons, would that be a good feature? Hell no. Nobody wants to use a WoW Garrison as a meeting stone place to then port to PVE zones. Nobody from the MMO world wants that. Meanwhile Guild Wars 1 has 100 player towns to meet people at & then pick party members there & go outside the gate to adventure. May as well have town events as well.

Single players, don't you guys have Elden Ring to play? Ya'll probably bored of Elden Ring. Barely any or zero replayability, due to being a damn single player game. Even if some people say the original dark souls games have more repeatability. Still single player games are weak at replayability & not everyone wants to speed run them. Well guess what POE has a freak ton of replayability demand. Aka Leagues. Guess what retains league restarts, single player game methods or multiplayer game methods. The multiplayer method generally wins.

Wannabe Standard League players acting like they don't play the new league for the multiplayer experience. Hey solo liar, go play standard then. " oh I just play league, to try out the fresh new patch sooner ", ye right get outta town, that's not the main reason anyone plays league. " I don't want to wait till it hits standard ". No that's your excuse. You want to play with other people fresh, is the main reason.

Tencent do you want to make money or not, you have a genre with 10,000 fans verse a mmo genre with 20 million unactive players. I doubt any poe expansion is going to ruin the d2 art, unlike d3 has. As much as I like the uniqueness of staying limited to d2 party formats, still Ragnarok Online had some better experiences than D2, that's for sure. I'd rather have Ragnarok Online & Diablo 2 be the same game at this time. & Not have D2 only. Or Diablo 2 & Guild Wars 1 at least if not IRO inspired.

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RuneLuthien wrote:

A lot of words

I didn't catch a word of what you said, Doedre RuneLuthien. That's probably a good thing.

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Clownkrieger wrote:

I didn't catch a word of what you said, Doedre RuneLuthien. That's probably a good thing.

He just wants GGG to make him MMO, thats all.

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kuciol wrote:

He just wants GGG to make him MMO, thats all.

Yea, i got that much from his former posts already, thats why i posted that little thank-you-D4-prayer to begin with :D

Well, but gladly not all MMO-guys are like this, that josh strife dude is at least able to understand that poe is the way it is cause it is supposed to be this way, and has enough respect for a developer and his product to not project his own likes and dislikes on him during an interview.

Still, RuneLuthien could voice his messages/opinions in more coherent (and less) sentences lol

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Edit; and actually D3 is more diverse build and balance wise than PoE, which I find pretty amusing considering the usual tropes.

This statement completely undermines anything you have said. It's objectively so untrue, it makes me wonder if you've played either game at all.

But this thread is about D4, and all the people who made the first Diablo's (including D3) are long gone from Blizzard now. It's not even Blizzard anymore, it's Activision. They aren't capable of making the game you want D4 to be. They have proven this over and over again during the past few years with other games. The Blizz devs are no longer in the same league as GGG devs when it comes to an ARPG. They haven't been for years.

But good luck with the hope. I understand it, and empathize. It's going to hurt, though.

For context, D3 was for me the most disappointing game I've ever played. There's very little chance i will buy Diablo 4. I am curious to see if they just release D3.5 or try innovate at all. Anyway I thought this was a good/interesting idea in terms of how Bliz are handling trade in D4:

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"We want to make sure there is trading in Diablo 4, but not completely open-ended trading, so that players can't get all of the best items by not even playing the game." - David Kim · Former Diablo IV Principal Game Designer

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"We want to integrate trading more closely in Diablo IV, so we're exploring several systems to do that. The one we're currently leaning toward is one where there'd be three types of items. A type of item that's tradable all the time with no restrictions, like consumables, crafting mats, and certain armor. There'd also be items that could be traded once and then bound. And then some set of items that can never be traded -- bind on pick-up. Likely the most powerful items would be bind on pick-up." - Joe Shely · Diablo IV Game Director

No restrictions: common items that can be traded multiple times
Bind-on-trade: mid-tier items that can be traded once
Bind-on-pickup: powerful items that can't be traded

In limiting trade, you can have more meaningful drops and better engagement with actually playing the game. Honestly think there is a lot of room in innovating trade systems in ARPG's If they absolutely must exist.

As long as you cant get best gear just by item / currency flipping like in Path of Exile im happy lol

#Tradeleagueproblems

wow its amazing how ppl a delusional about D4. but it was fun to read