General Discussion - Kripp's New Video - Phys. Damage Suxx In This Game - Forum

" BearCares wrote: " ArmoredChocobo wrote: Leave it to Kripp to figure out something months after real theorycrafters figure it out and have a few fanboys come on forums touting it as the word of god. what makes you think he JUST figured it out. Kripp is one of the biggest theorycrafters there is!! The dude has to pace his videos dosn't he? It was just time to make one about phys damage because of the release of the melee support gems. Why? Because it's RELEVANT! Bullroar. The guy has time and again looked up theorycraft and spouted them to his sheep as his own discovery because they didn't know about it, usually because they never pulled themselves from his videos to look. He's the equivalent of the kid that finds info on google about a game coming out, and tells his poorer, computer less friends that he hacked the company's database and found out about it.	Posted by ArmoredChocobo#1792 on Apr 10, 2013, 3:33:16 PM Quote this Post
" ArmoredChocobo wrote: Leave it to Kripp to figure out something months after real theorycrafters figure it out and have a few fanboys come on forums touting it as the word of god. GORLAK SMASH WORDS!! -------------------- The Greatest Plate Vest Of All Time! http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/293910 So store. so item. http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/136100	Posted by enshin#5051 on Apr 10, 2013, 3:45:24 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
@ recapax, please rewatch kripps video and my input on it, i TRIPLE CHECKED IT specialy for u, to make sure i was correct, clearly tripling the damage is incorrect because u would need set/gear/passive skill tree set up and normal dps/time baseline to compare it to. But he states a normal hit wil do 600 damage after the reduction of armor, Then he states a multistrike hit under the same circumstances wil do 284.2 damage BUT at 100%as So the my conclusion remains, u would get 568dps compared to 600 dps a loss of 32physical damage, and in return u would steal double the LoH ( more survivability) and reflect 52% less damage to ureself vs a reflect pack ( more survivability) Is his assesment right that it deals less dps, yes it is (but it is minor, might become more harsh on higher numbers), is his assesment that physical damage is useles with this skill right? No , nothing suports this fact. If anything it enchances ure survival chances by a tremendous amount. Conclusion : if ure going for big dps glass canon, dont use it, if ure trying to build a tank that is able to survive, i would recommend giving it a try with a couple of wel placed other suport gems. Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes	Posted by Boem#2861 on Apr 10, 2013, 3:51:47 PM On Probation Quote this Post
Where did he get the AR reduction value from for starters? Since that's important. Next, did his calculations mention the increase to physical dmg that comes from the gem leveling? Or the fact that when combined with splash, the AoE dmg, if any, isn't counted in as well? Flicker multi splash ftw.	Posted by SL4Y3R#7487 on Apr 10, 2013, 3:58:39 PM Banned Quote this Post
" ArmoredChocobo wrote: " BearCares wrote: " ArmoredChocobo wrote: Leave it to Kripp to figure out something months after real theorycrafters figure it out and have a few fanboys come on forums touting it as the word of god. what makes you think he JUST figured it out. Kripp is one of the biggest theorycrafters there is!! The dude has to pace his videos dosn't he? It was just time to make one about phys damage because of the release of the melee support gems. Why? Because it's RELEVANT! Bullroar. The guy has time and again looked up theorycraft and spouted them to his sheep as his own discovery because they didn't know about it, usually because they never pulled themselves from his videos to look. He's the equivalent of the kid that finds info on google about a game coming out, and tells his poorer, computer less friends that he hacked the company's database and found out about it. It's funny how I enjoy you guys raging about kripp. Dunno if this is because you u Jelly about his popularity or just because he won many races. Anyway he didn't discover the armor reduction macanic as he alreeady explain this mecanic in some old video ( about no been able to faceroll POE if I remember right ). He just did a video about that because it's relevant with the new gems. The audiance of Kripp is not only hardcore gamer that know everything about the mecanic and stuff, that's why he can explain simple things like that.... but well, I guess it's SWAG to bash famous streamers like kripp today ;)	Posted by Recapax#5252 on Apr 10, 2013, 3:59:34 PM Quote this Post
Someday I wish to be famous on internet, while living in my parents basement. Sigh, one can only dream. GORLAK SMASH WORDS!! -------------------- The Greatest Plate Vest Of All Time! http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/293910 So store. so item. http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/136100	Posted by enshin#5051 on Apr 10, 2013, 4:02:07 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
" Boem wrote: @ recapax, please rewatch kripps video and my input on it, i TRIPLE CHECKED IT specialy for u, to make sure i was correct, clearly tripling the damage is incorrect because u would need set/gear/passive skill tree set up and normal dps/time baseline to compare it to. But he states a normal hit wil do 600 damage after the reduction of armor, Then he states a multistrike hit under the same circumstances wil do 284.2 damage BUT at 100%as So the my conclusion remains, u would get 568dps compared to 600 dps a loss of 32physical damage, and in return u would steal double the LoH ( more survivability) and reflect 52% less damage to ureself vs a reflect pack ( more survivability) Is his assesment right that it deals less dps, yes it is (but it is minor, might become more harsh on higher numbers), is his assesment that physical damage is useles with this skill right? No , nothing suports this fact. If anything it enchances ure survival chances by a tremendous amount. Conclusion : if ure going for big dps glass canon, dont use it, if ure trying to build a tank that is able to survive, i would recommend giving it a try with a couple of wel placed other suport gems. Indeed about the survavibility you would steal more if your have LOH... but if you have %damage life leach it's not of course. And you take a slot for a gem basicaly just to leach more? For me it seems to be a bit of waste. And as he said if your are wory about damage reflect, it is better to reflect element damage because on a big hit the elemental damage is still lowered by the same percent (resist), but the armor is less effective if the physical damage is strong. So to avoid 1 hit yourself you better go elemental than physical. Last edited by Recapax#5252 on Apr 10, 2013, 4:07:13 PM	Posted by Recapax#5252 on Apr 10, 2013, 4:06:18 PM Quote this Post
" exorzist wrote: Video: Spoiler http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCxpM-rHiuI ... And he is right. The new melee support gems are good, but not for physical. please GGG buff phys. dmg. Linking Melee Splash and Multitrike to Groundslam is sooo much fun, but seeing your DPs go down like 50% is total garbage. instead of buffin melee the new support gems in some cases made it worse it sickens me that GGG adds to the game and all they do is further the gap between physical and elemental. and the melee gems are only good on ranged melee attacks	Posted by Drahken#7486 on Apr 10, 2013, 4:08:45 PM Quote this Post
Doe's the name kripp in this thread tittle atract a "special" kind of people, i seem to be repeating my points 3x in a row and still to no effect. As an upside i see why he has so many streamers now... I think i might remember this day as the day i let a tear escape my eye for humanity's future. Kripp : (o.O) Meh Followers : (o(o.(O.o).o)o) MehMehMehMehMeh No offens to u kripp, if u should read this, i clearly state in this example u where the first one to say Meh, and are not to blame for the end result of this first Meh. I sure hope this aint offensive, but as stated before people seem to be very reluctant to think for themselves. Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes	Posted by Boem#2861 on Apr 10, 2013, 4:16:11 PM On Probation Quote this Post
" Boem wrote: I just rewatched the video to make sure, and he states that a 40% reduction on 1000 dps becomes 600 dps (because of armor) then 600 -40% becomes 284dps (because of multistrike 40%less) And then he forgets to triple the dps because multistrike wil hit 2 extra times with the outcome of his dps formula. 852 dps if im not mistaken is the outcome when i follow his calculations. ontop of that, u have just found a way to deal more dps overtime with lower physical damage, AKA solution to reflect vs player armor. Ontop of that u just found a way to triple ure survivability with LoH wich isent restricted like LL is. I got no clue what the fuzz is about, maybe im missing a point somewhere, but from where i am sitting its all positive buffs for melee, also the statement "please buff physical damage" is totaly ludicros since it is already the highest dps ingame. buffing it more wil just result in even more one hit reflect wonders. Feel free to correct me if i am mistaken, i have no problem with learning new things, but all i see from these new gems is some amazing fun new posibility's and some helpfull mechanics to prevent reflect damage to spike. Also when this gem reaches a higher lvl, the downsides wil be better so it wil be even more OP. No because it's not 284x 3 that's using the 1000 dmg hit with 40% reduction on it. When in fact the reduction is much more than 40% when you're only hitting for 284. 1 1000 dmg hit does 600 dmg after 8000 armor (as an example) 2 500 dmg hits will do 400 dmg total after 8000 armor (this is not accurate but does illustrate the point) Last edited by riptid3#6233 on Apr 10, 2013, 4:18:47 PM	Posted by riptid3#6233 on Apr 10, 2013, 4:16:31 PM Quote this Post