Kripp's New Video - Phys. Damage Suxx In This Game

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Boem wrote:

@ riptid3

Hello u again :o)

In the example u are proposing, scalling ure damage to elemental would exualy be detremental for the theoretical build sugested.

As previuesly stated by me and invalesco in this thread( and god knows how many others who understand game mechanics) if u would like u sugest convert a portions of ure physical damage to be elemental, ure overal physical damage would scale down if im not mistaken, therefore granting even less damage vs armor. However if it is all pure physical and high enuf u would have effectively penetrated armor to the point where it becomes useles (oposed to elemental damage always having a % reduction no mather how high ure damage is)

So basicly u might end up having a higher dps count on ure information screen, but because of all the damage mitigation provided by mobs, ure exualy ingame dps might be lower.

Physical damage can reduce mitigation of mobs to 0%
Elemental damage can not, therefore from a purely theoretical viewpoint, physical wil always scale better in effective damage output.

However like i stated before, this cant be done atm.

The simple reason why elemental is better in the current game state is because u can add damage with gear instead of passive skill points, therefore u have more skill points left to maximize ure "path of life nodes", if however the servers where stable, people could play a sort of "chuck norris" physical damage marauder that would "one hit wonder" anything it passes and stil be able to survive because of control of suroundings (wich isent the case atm because of desync issues) a sort of "skilled" melee build where vigilance is key and hitting first is mandatory.

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Boem wrote:

@ riptid3

There is no real answer to that, because it is all dependant on ure gear/dps

Like someone else previuesly stated, the higher ure physical damage, the higher ure elemental damage "added" would be, so i would asume at a certain "physical damage count"
the physical melee suport would outshine the WED suport gem.
The same with ure passive tree sugestion, assuming ure going pure physical and converting some of the damage, it would be a calculation if 6% phys dps would give more elemental damage from things like "hatred" then the 10% elemental damage,
It is also important to note that the skilldrasil has i think about 15 WED passive nodes all together, but increased physical damage + weapon choice have about 150 if not more in comparison. So it could also be noted that the first 6% increased phys damage node would not be better then the first 10% WED node, but that in time and enuf stacking of physical nodes, it would end up being better then WED nodes. Also u should take into consideration str adds a % physical damage increase, while inteligence ore dex dont give a % elemental increase.

I hope this somewhat explains ure dilema, and how very dependant it is to the exual build,items,skills,level,playstyle.

Also if added physical melee damage did not have "melee" in its descryption, by the gods how very OP would ethereal knives become :'') + being ranged already has its benefits imo.

Maybe if u pm somebody like Invalesco who is really good with numbers(i am not, i am just good at mental theorycrafting and causes vs effect's) he could give a demonstration with exual data providing some arguments for what i have written, i imagine at a certain phys damage count the phys% nodes would give more benefit then the WED nodes. But until that damage is reached the oposite would be true. (in a long term build, u could "abuse" the WED nodes early game and reskill them lategame to convert to pure physical)

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jasio1234 wrote:

i can easly say phis builds are WAY harder to build compared to range ones.

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steven_mcburn wrote:

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Qiox wrote:

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steven_mcburn wrote:

I skipped over most of this thread, but..


Let's say his figures are right. Makes sense, why wouldn't they be?

Know what he's not telling you in that video?

It would be 600 per hit of multistrike, which hits a total of 3 times. And yes, you're doing 284.21 damage a hit (if he's right, once again), but you hit 3 times for a total of 852.63, which is far more than the 600 hit you were doing (42%ish more damage even).


So, why are people listening to this guy like he's a god?


Yeah, when you add 2 more hits to your single hit you deal less per hit, but more by the time the attack is finished...

Nice dumb post. Thanks for the non-contribution to the thread.

Those 3 times you hit do not occur in the same amount of time that the 1 hit without multistrike takes. He in fact explains all that and you completely missed it. Heck, you shouldn't even need him to explain it to you. You get all the information you need to figure that out just by reading the description of the gem.

Gor real?

Maybe you should've kept reading the thread before you insulted me.


Let's just do made up, basic ass numbers, like he did, assuming that the 1000 damage is reduced to 600, and 600 is reduced to 284.12 with multistrike, ok?

First off, his 284.12 isn't even accurate, unless you're using a 0 quality gem that's level 1. But we'll just ignore that and move on to the second off.

Looking at my shadow, like I said AFTER THE POST YOU QUOTED, he hits @ .19 attacks per second. WITHOUT IT, looking at it now, it's .46 attacks per second. WITH the "faster attack" support gem, it's .33.

So let's say I'm hitting for 2 seconds with multistrike, okidoki?
I get 10 hits in 2 seconds at 284.12 damage a hit. That's 2841.2 damage. Simple enough.

No speed supports? I get a whopping 4 attacks.
2400 damage. Wowzas. It deals less than the attack speed supported (multistrike is basically just attack speed champ) gem.

With faster attack I get 6 attacks, all at 600 damage.
Bam, 3600 damage. Now get this;


Here's the kicker... What he's talking about makes absolutely no damn sense. If you want to use the gem JUST TO INCREASE YOUR ATTACK SPEED, there's a completely different gem for that. You know what you use it for? FOR SPAMMING YOUR ABILITY. Anything that can be used AoE with the skill instantly becomes broken in terms of the amount of damage it does.

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And here's the kicker.... these transition points NEVER OCCUR if you are using elemental damage.