Can Path of Exile compete with Lost Ark and Elden Ring?

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MrJimo wrote:

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plaguefear wrote:

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MrJimo wrote:

Lost Ark = I'm pretty sure people will get bored with this game really fast

Its been out for years and still going strong..
It also has more end game than Poe.

That doesn't mean anything (and yet here you are in Poe forum hm..? :) )

Let's see what happen ^.-

I am in poe forum because i stopped playing over a month ago because the game sucks.

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IHellBoundI wrote:

I rly don't get why people need to play on the first day (beside streamers as its their job to do so). Like every single mmo/multiplayer game is bugged as hell on the first days. This "meta" of playing 2 first weeks then leaving is annoying and show how short attention span general public have this days. They jump to one "new shinny" to another "new shinny".

Like rly, u can still play mentioned games after poe league release OR u can play poe AFTER mentioned games release OR both games at the same time.

Streamers are paid to be online first day, I'm not. So I'll try these games but for sure not on release as my past experiences were miserable

Because in trade league, everything is worth much more early league than later on (with exception of a few end game gears and crafted stuffs). For example, you can easily sell t14-16 maps for 5-15c while exalted is worth 50-100c.
So its just more efficient to farm your currency early on of the league.

I dont understand Lost Ark hype everywhere... its been out for years in Russia and nearly no1 there plays it, we even had a lot of TV advertisements, it did not help them either.
I myself played it hardcore (8h a day) for like 2-3 months, may be a week at release, and most of the time in 2021.

Lets start why the game is bad:

1. The game started as no p2w concept and that no p2w stuff will be ever added, yet they started to add that like 1-2 month after release.
2. The leveling and questing to 50 is really REALLY boring (15-20 hours), and you need quite a lot of toons for family lvls. Also you need to buy character slots for real money)
3. All mechanics are gated by daily-weekly basis, think like Perfect World as a good example, if you want to bypass those mechanics you need to pay real money. Do you want more runs in dungeon? pay real money
4. PvE meta is berserker, and only berserker - all other classes are trash with no exceptions, really no exceptions sorry.
5. PvP meta is mostly Reapers or any martial style class, but there is also a system like gandicap, where when you pay real money - matchmaking trys to position to you a weaker opponent, also pvp gets old really fast but it depends on taste, i did not like it. Also there is a lot of macro users, and there is no way Amazon or any publisher can ever ban them, because they use hardware macros (mouse or keyboard)
6. The card system is what shines here with a lot of loot boxes, p2w etc, to lvl or even get some good cards some people spend tens of thousands $, and its pretty normal for Korean MMORPG. Card system is like a permanent passive empowerments in mobile games.
7. The game itself looks like average quality mobile game.
8. Endgame consists of you doing 3-4 dungeons and than wait in Ocean for islands to show up.
9. Yes for dungeons you need tactics, but mostly to avoid oneshot mechanics, think like 1-3 runs to memorize all oneshot attacks and ways to avoid them. They are also boring.
10. After some time they'll add an option to buy lvls and gear for real money, on character selection screen you can choose there your desired ilvl for that char. And yes they'll add it with no exceptions, like everywhere.
11. You cant trade, use auction house and i dont know i think even party (not sure here) until lvl 50 and completed quest on one of the endgame starting islands
12. If you think you can play normally without paying than you can to some degree, but you will never see actual content, f2p players are like 1-2 updates behind paying ones.
There is also system and events which help getting higher ilvl for players after new continent or content update. But that doesnt help to get to actual content. At least you can play new class released when you want, if you have enough character slots)

Mobile mobile mobile, i could not withstand this feeling all the time i have been playing Lost Ark.

I dont know if all that talk go from trolls or poe community really likes Korean grindfest p2w MMOs? Did you forget all that trashfest of Korean MMORPGs in 2000-2010x? Lost Ark is like a perfect example of those. Or people are so obsessed with payed streamers FAKE reactions?

To not be so harsh, animations and graphics are not bad. Thats all.

BTW Elden Ring looks good but it is mostly single player game, it'll take 1 week or 2 at most to finish it on 100%, and i'm also waiting for it)

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Neversalim wrote:

I dont understand Lost Ark hype everywhere... its been out for years in Russia and nearly no1 there plays it, we even had a lot of TV advertisements, it did not help them either.
I myself played it hardcore (8h a day) for like 2-3 months, may be a week at release, and most of the time in 2021.

Lets start why the game is bad:

1. The game started as no p2w concept and that no p2w stuff will be ever added, yet they started to add that like 1-2 month after release.
2. The leveling and questing to 50 is really REALLY boring (15-20 hours), and you need quite a lot of toons for family lvls. Also you need to buy character slots for real money)
3. All mechanics are gated by daily-weekly basis, think like Perfect World as a good example, if you want to bypass those mechanics you need to pay real money. Do you want more runs in dungeon? pay real money
4. PvE meta is berserker, and only berserker - all other classes are trash with no exceptions, really no exceptions sorry.
5. PvP meta is mostly Reapers or any martial style class, but there is also a system like gandicap, where when you pay real money - matchmaking trys to position to you a weaker opponent, also pvp gets old really fast but it depends on taste, i did not like it. Also there is a lot of macro users, and there is no way Amazon or any publisher can ever ban them, because they use hardware macros (mouse or keyboard)
6. The card system is what shines here with a lot of loot boxes, p2w etc, to lvl or even get some good cards some people spend tens of thousands $, and its pretty normal for Korean MMORPG. Card system is like a permanent passive empowerments in mobile games.
7. The game itself looks like average quality mobile game.
8. Endgame consists like you do 3-4 dungeons and than wait in Ocean for islands to show up.
9. Yes for dungeons you need tactics, but mostly to avoid oneshot mechanics, think like 1-3 runs to memorize all oneshot attacks and ways to avoid them.
10. After some time they'll add an option to buy lvls and gear for real money, on character selection screen you can choose there your desired ilvl for that char. And yes they'll add it with no exceptions, like everywhere.
11. You cant trade, use auction house and i dont know i think even party (not sure here) until lvl 50 and completed quest on one of the endgame starting islands
12. If you think you can play normally without paying than you can to some degree, but you will never see actual content, f2p players are like 1-2 updates behind paying ones.
There is also system and events which help getting higher ilvl for players after new continent or content update. But that doesnt help to get to actual content. At least you can play new class released when you want, if you have enough character slots)

Mobile mobile mobile, i could not withstand this feeling all the time i have been playing Lost Ark.

I dont know if that all talk go from trolls or poe community likes Korean grindfest p2w MMOs. Did you forget all that trashfest of Korean MMORPG in 2000-2010x? This game is like a perfect example of those. Or people are so obsessed with payed streamers FAKE reactions?

To not be so harsh, animations and graphics are not bad. Thats all.

BTW Elden Ring looks good but it is mostly single player game, it'll take 1 week or 2 at most to finish it on 100%.

No need to lie about the game if you dont like it. All things you listed are mostly just lies or extremely outdated (maybe it was the case in the older version of the game that was a failure in KR). Reaper is meta in PVP? LMAO I had a good chuckle from that, this alone kind of solidified how little you know about the current state of the game.

No, you dont pay to acces raids/dungeouns more times. No, you cant pay for easier pvp opponents (this is just such a wild bs claim). No, you dont need an army of alts, and you get 6 slots at default, having 5 high level alts and 1 main is already quite overkill. F2P players are not behind if they play regularly, and if you dont, well, no sh1t you will be behind people that play regularly in a vertical progression MMO, paying or f2p. Dungeouns have more to them than just one shot mechanincs, so far I have seen so many forum and reddit warriors that talk about how easy raids are, wish these people would play the game so that pubs with high account level people wont fail easiest raids on a regular basis.

To sum it up, the person I quoted has absolutely no clue about the current state of the game, just none. And the game has it's share of problems, p2w including (but not related to cards or dungeoun runs, lol), but this is not a reason to spread complete BS about the game.

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MECHanokl wrote:

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Neversalim wrote:

I dont understand Lost Ark hype everywhere... its been out for years in Russia and nearly no1 there plays it, we even had a lot of TV advertisements, it did not help them either.
I myself played it hardcore (8h a day) for like 2-3 months, may be a week at release, and most of the time in 2021.

Lets start why the game is bad:

1. The game started as no p2w concept and that no p2w stuff will be ever added, yet they started to add that like 1-2 month after release.
2. The leveling and questing to 50 is really REALLY boring (15-20 hours), and you need quite a lot of toons for family lvls. Also you need to buy character slots for real money)
3. All mechanics are gated by daily-weekly basis, think like Perfect World as a good example, if you want to bypass those mechanics you need to pay real money. Do you want more runs in dungeon? pay real money
4. PvE meta is berserker, and only berserker - all other classes are trash with no exceptions, really no exceptions sorry.
5. PvP meta is mostly Reapers or any martial style class, but there is also a system like gandicap, where when you pay real money - matchmaking trys to position to you a weaker opponent, also pvp gets old really fast but it depends on taste, i did not like it. Also there is a lot of macro users, and there is no way Amazon or any publisher can ever ban them, because they use hardware macros (mouse or keyboard)
6. The card system is what shines here with a lot of loot boxes, p2w etc, to lvl or even get some good cards some people spend tens of thousands $, and its pretty normal for Korean MMORPG. Card system is like a permanent passive empowerments in mobile games.
7. The game itself looks like average quality mobile game.
8. Endgame consists like you do 3-4 dungeons and than wait in Ocean for islands to show up.
9. Yes for dungeons you need tactics, but mostly to avoid oneshot mechanics, think like 1-3 runs to memorize all oneshot attacks and ways to avoid them.
10. After some time they'll add an option to buy lvls and gear for real money, on character selection screen you can choose there your desired ilvl for that char. And yes they'll add it with no exceptions, like everywhere.
11. You cant trade, use auction house and i dont know i think even party (not sure here) until lvl 50 and completed quest on one of the endgame starting islands
12. If you think you can play normally without paying than you can to some degree, but you will never see actual content, f2p players are like 1-2 updates behind paying ones.
There is also system and events which help getting higher ilvl for players after new continent or content update. But that doesnt help to get to actual content. At least you can play new class released when you want, if you have enough character slots)

Mobile mobile mobile, i could not withstand this feeling all the time i have been playing Lost Ark.

I dont know if that all talk go from trolls or poe community likes Korean grindfest p2w MMOs. Did you forget all that trashfest of Korean MMORPG in 2000-2010x? This game is like a perfect example of those. Or people are so obsessed with payed streamers FAKE reactions?

To not be so harsh, animations and graphics are not bad. Thats all.

BTW Elden Ring looks good but it is mostly single player game, it'll take 1 week or 2 at most to finish it on 100%.

No need to lie about the game if you dont like it. All things you listed are mostly just lies or extremely outdated (maybe it was the case in the older version of the game that was a failure in KR). Reaper is meta in PVP? LMAO I had a good chuckle from that, this alone kind of solidified how little you know about the current state of the game.

No, you dont pay to acces raids/dungeouns more times. No, you cant pay for easier pvp opponents (this is just such a wild bs claim). No, you dont need an army of alts, and you get 6 slots at default, having 5 high level alts and 1 main is already quite overkill. F2P players are not behind if they play regularly, and if you dont, well, no sh1t you will be behind people that play regularly in a vertical progression MMO, paying or f2p. Dungeouns have more to them than just one shot mechanincs, so far I have seen so many forum and reddit warriors that talk about how easy raids are, wish these people would play the game so that pubs with high account level people wont fail easiest raids on a regular basis.

To sum it up, the person I quoted has absolutely no clue about the current state of the game, just none. And the game has it's share of problems, p2w including (but not related to cards or dungeoun runs, lol), but this is not a reason to spread complete BS about the game.

ok) than where did i lie?
There are tickets named Chaos Dungeon +1 you can buy in Cash shop to access
chaos dungeon more times - at least 3 more times for chaos dungeon , specially for you checked this in game.
For easier pvp opponents to see it you need to actually play the game, not casually lvl to 20. And for reaper, seems they nerfed it, but than any martial class is a meta...
Of course you need, absolutely need, army of alts for family (seems like it is account level in english) lvl.

i'll stop here, if you say that 6 slots is enough than you did not even play the game to lvl 50, or if you do than may be you are the person who fails raids and dungeons for party?
Go play the game and dont judge by the beta, youtube or twitch. And after that, talk about something only if you know please.

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Neversalim wrote:

ok) than where did i lie?
There are tickets named Chaos Dungeon +1 you can buy in Cash shop to access
chaos dungeon more times - at least 3 more times for chaos dungeon , specially for you checked this in game.
For easier pvp opponents to see it you need to actually play the game, not casually lvl to 20. And for reaper, seems they nerfed it, but than any martial class is a meta...
Of course you need, absolutely need, army of alts for family (seems like it is account level in english) lvl.

i'll stop here, if you say that 6 slots is enough than you did not even play the game to lvl 50, or if you do than may be you are the person who fails raids and dungeons for party?
Go play the game and dont judge by the beta, youtube or twitch. And after that, talk about something only if you know please.

You know, you need to figure out whether I am someone who have never played the game and just watched youtubers, or I am the scrub who fails raids, it's either one or the other.

But you made it obvious that you have just picked together a bunch of random comments without actually playing the game, or played it a long time ago in a much crappier state, when it was failing in KR. Chaos dungeoun tickets are in the game shop, they are limited, and also completely irrelevant. Chaos Dungeoun runs are essentially NOTHING in the endgame, what really matters is abyss dungeouns (untill certain ilevel, then they start giving less gold but you can sell runs) and raids, because they give the main chunk of gold (directly and indirectly through books and jewelry if you are lucky), and without raids you simply cannot progress further. Buying chaos dungeoun runs for real money is a COMPLETE waste of money, you would gain much more by simply buying gold with real money and buying mats/tripod gear/jewerly instead. The tries for really important and gated parts (weekly raids, weekly abyss 4 man dungeouns) cannot be bought with real money.

Buying easier pvp opponents is just not a thing, nothing to find and see, you are just making stuff up, I played PvP, you cant fool me. Martial classes are not meta, lance master is good but not OP, and some martial arts subclassse are trash tier. You also mentioned something about Berserker being OP in PVE, which is also BS. It really, really feels like you just took random outdated comments from youtube/forums and are trying to pretend like you know what you are talking about. Because current issues (and there are quite a few) have absolutely nothing to do with what you mentioned.

Anyway, this is getting offtopic. For other people reading this, game has certain issues without question (buying easier pvp or skipping weekly raid lockouts are not a thing tho), but it's also free so you can play it and make up your own mind without spending anything, if an arpg MMO is something you are interested in.

Yes it will be the lost by far.There is no Hype about release even if the League by itself is good in terms of mechanics and contect their back to back stupid and idiotic decisions of nerfing things to the ground makes me not want to play the game.Most of the builds i had and played a lot are not viable anymore and i cant do the content i want with them anymore.I dont feel playing Traps for 1000 hours per League.

Simply put i am not having fun anymore especially in this atrocious League called Scourge and i played it a lot.My Crucible needs only 1 level to get maxed.

I played Lost Ark in the Russians servers for 3 days and i can see myself having fun with friends even if i dont commit.
We already made a guild on Discord around 30-40 people w8ting to start playing get to know each other and have fun.

PoE became a game for Streamers only to produce content well i wish them gl cause 8 Feb trade League gonna feel abandoned.

P.S I already unfollowed most of the PoE streamers in Youtube and Twitch in their Spot now are Lost Ark Streamers and Youtubers

We will see in the patch notes if it can compete :)

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zzang wrote:

We will see in the patch notes if it can compete :)

This is my feeling too, at least to see if it can compete for me. I need something interesting to hook me and i'll probably play, if its full of fun detected on defences i'm probably out.

Elden Ring? Are people even hyped for that game? Seen everyone talking about LA for last ~2 years while I barely see anyone mention that game.

Doubt it will make any meaningfull "dent" on the size of PoE community.