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zheng738 wrote:
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fakini wrote:
humanity evolved this much just by understanding that solo gathering fruits from bushses was not as efficient as grouping up to hunt large game...
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damn bra, we're using irl references now? so when 1 person catch 1 fish , 6 people will catch 200,000 fish? makes sense
you've never watched one of those fishing shows, deadliest catch or whatever, have you? this is exactly true.
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Those groups that make 10 mirrors in one week are playing the game like a job.
Honestly if its really just 10 mirrors than its not that far off from what you can get by farming solo if you play in exactly the same way (grinding 8 - 10 hours a day)
Lets see, a mirror is currently at around 33000c, thats rounded up 228 exalts. Divide that by 7 and you have 32 ex. That means if you want to farm a mirror in a weak solo you have to get 32 ex each day.
32 ex daily is easily archiveable with juiced nem3 maps if you grind those in the same way those 6 man groups do, 8 to 10 hours a day.
Those 6 man groups usually have a 7th guy only trading. So 10 divided through 7 = 1.42. Its 1,42 mirrors per weak for those group players.
So its only 1.42 times as effective as solo play if OP is right and they get 10 mirrors a week.
Thats actually not that much difference. Whats the problem?
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Posted byZerber#2188on Nov 23, 2021, 4:31:41 PM
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Zerber wrote:
Those groups that make 10 mirrors in one week are playing the game like a job.
Honestly if its really just 10 mirrors than its not that far off from what you can get by farming solo if you play in exactly the same way (grinding 8 - 10 hours a day)
Lets see, a mirror is currently at around 33000c, thats rounded up 228 exalts. Divide that by 7 and you have 32 ex. That means if you want to farm a mirror in a weak solo you have to get 32 ex each day.
32 ex daily is easily archiveable with juiced nem3 maps if you grind those in the same way those 6 man groups do, 8 to 10 hours a day.
Those 6 man groups usually have a 7th guy only trading. So 10 divided through 7 = 1.42. Its 1,42 mirrors per weak for those group players.
So its only 1.42 times as effective as solo play if OP is right and they get 10 mirrors a week.
Thats actually not that much difference. Whats the problem?
you are forgetting another important part
you have to pay the full cost of rolling the map when running it solo
the groups only have to pay 1/6 of that if they running it as a 6man group
they get more loot for less cost
while this might not be the best comparison
you would be furious is someone gets paid 1.42x your salary for the same work with the same expierence+qualification for no reason
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Posted byciel289#7228on Nov 23, 2021, 4:52:41 PM
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Zerber wrote:
Those groups that make 10 mirrors in one week are playing the game like a job.
Honestly if its really just 10 mirrors than its not that far off from what you can get by farming solo if you play in exactly the same way (grinding 8 - 10 hours a day)
Lets see, a mirror is currently at around 33000c, thats rounded up 228 exalts. Divide that by 7 and you have 32 ex. That means if you want to farm a mirror in a weak solo you have to get 32 ex each day.
32 ex daily is easily archiveable with juiced nem3 maps if you grind those in the same way those 6 man groups do, 8 to 10 hours a day.
Those 6 man groups usually have a 7th guy only trading. So 10 divided through 7 = 1.42. Its 1,42 mirrors per weak for those group players.
So its only 1.42 times as effective as solo play if OP is right and they get 10 mirrors a week.
Thats actually not that much difference. Whats the problem?
you are forgetting another important part
you have to pay the full cost of rolling the map when running it solo
the groups only have to pay 1/6 of that if they running it as a 6man group
they get more loot for less cost
while this might not be the best comparison
you would be furious is someone gets paid 1.42x your salary for the same work with the same expierence+qualification for no reason
Those groups invest way more money into rolling those maps than a solo player would. That said my post was more about that the difference is not that extreme as people like to pretend it is.
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Posted byZerber#2188on Nov 23, 2021, 5:10:11 PM
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Zerber wrote:
Those groups invest way more money into rolling those maps than a solo player would.
Ehhh...yea, because they have way more money?
Couldn't resist ;-).
And the extremely well rolled maps then go towards the 6 players. Also, with some group roles set up dps and defense scale super. A solo player has to make a more well rounded character to reach the same effect.
Plus faster clearing atlas. And yep, dedicated traders, crafters. Come to think of it, those roles might have the biggest impact. It is parallel versus sequential. A solo player may have a great build but will not craft and trade and loot at the same time.
But I do get your point as well. Think it's a bit over 1.42 though. Even if 1.4, it's multiplicative as currency makes currency. 1.4 x 1.4 x 1.4 and so on.
Then again, what is balanced at all in PoE. It kind of is what it is. Pretty sure GGG can't fix this one anytime soon.
Did you try turning it off and on again?
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Posted bykaepae#2068on Nov 28, 2021, 12:27:28 AM
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i have run with a group before. group drops are insane compared to solo. most of the time with 6 players, not all items can even be picked up. uber strict filter or even custom, and you still get more drops than what you can carry. even having to do the extra 6 link carry trick to get 1 extra item out lol
honestly, group drops should only be multiplied by the player count in the group. the game is extremely unbalanced in many ways but group drops are insanely unbalanced
poe is going down fast. Diablo 4 and Baldur's Gate 3 have no performance issues. play them instead
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Posted byspaceace7373#7726on Nov 28, 2021, 6:00:01 AM
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its not group play rewards that the video demonstrates. Those people pooled their resources to juice the content to a very high degree - 5 delirium orbs, elevated sextants, perfect rolled watchstones on a possibly fractured map with 30 quality. That shit takes a lot of effort to get going in the first place.
You cant fracture maps anymore, they changed that like 5 leagues ago. You think only group players juice their maps? We are literally talking about how they spend 5 times less currency per map but get 1000%, 10000%, 100000% more loot. Which is completely bizar.
yes and then you forget they have to divide the loot by the number of players involved too? but no one ever mentions that. it's always as if it's one player claiming all the loot lol
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Posted bykompaniet#2874on Nov 28, 2021, 6:48:30 AM
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Zerber wrote:
Those groups that make 10 mirrors in one week are playing the game like a job.
Honestly if its really just 10 mirrors than its not that far off from what you can get by farming solo if you play in exactly the same way (grinding 8 - 10 hours a day)
Lets see, a mirror is currently at around 33000c, thats rounded up 228 exalts. Divide that by 7 and you have 32 ex. That means if you want to farm a mirror in a weak solo you have to get 32 ex each day.
32 ex daily is easily archiveable with juiced nem3 maps if you grind those in the same way those 6 man groups do, 8 to 10 hours a day.
Those 6 man groups usually have a 7th guy only trading. So 10 divided through 7 = 1.42. Its 1,42 mirrors per weak for those group players.
So its only 1.42 times as effective as solo play if OP is right and they get 10 mirrors a week.
Thats actually not that much difference. Whats the problem?
1.42 ? what a joke ?
each team member can get the things more than [many solo players can get in a whole league] just in one week.
then count it as 1.42 times than solo play?
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Posted byVanNI8ren#7630on Dec 1, 2021, 4:07:01 AM
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even playing in pairs is way more lucrative than playing solo, as long as you know what you're doing
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VanNI8ren wrote:
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Zerber wrote:
Those groups that make 10 mirrors in one week are playing the game like a job.
Honestly if its really just 10 mirrors than its not that far off from what you can get by farming solo if you play in exactly the same way (grinding 8 - 10 hours a day)
Lets see, a mirror is currently at around 33000c, thats rounded up 228 exalts. Divide that by 7 and you have 32 ex. That means if you want to farm a mirror in a weak solo you have to get 32 ex each day.
32 ex daily is easily archiveable with juiced nem3 maps if you grind those in the same way those 6 man groups do, 8 to 10 hours a day.
Those 6 man groups usually have a 7th guy only trading. So 10 divided through 7 = 1.42. Its 1,42 mirrors per weak for those group players.
So its only 1.42 times as effective as solo play if OP is right and they get 10 mirrors a week.
Thats actually not that much difference. Whats the problem?
1.42 ? what a joke ?
each team member can get the things more than [many solo players can get in a whole league] just in one week.
then count it as 1.42 times than solo play?
idk how that guy got 1.42, its more like 5 or 6x after splitting the loot.
edit, i said 5-6x after splitting, but its prob even more
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Posted byzheng738#5818on Dec 2, 2021, 10:04:23 PM
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