Wow rip gladiator

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DontKillTeal wrote:

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RoyalMarauder wrote:

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Vvulf wrote:

Seems a lot of people in this thread never actually played a high block Lacerate gladiator.

First GGG nerfed the bleed craft (60% chance for 100% more bleed damage).

Now they're nerfing two more integral parts of the build. Block Glads got hit not only with the nerf to Versatile Combatant, but ALSO to the NEW 25% mana reservation on Tempest Shield.

For high block Lacerate builds, Glad already had 85% mana reserved with Pride (50%), Herald of Purity (25%), and Blood and Sand (10%). Tempest Shield was needed for the added block percentage, but it didn't reserve any mana.

Now, EVEN IF Blood and Sand is dropped...high block gladiators will be at 100% mana reserved with Pride (50), Herald of Purity (25%) and Tempest Shield (25%).

Combined with the nerf to bleed damage previously, this build is dead...and the sad part is that IT WAS NEVER a high DPS build. It was just fun and tanky.

Exactly. And Gladiator builds were always more of a min-max, and pretty much never a budget build. You need to really invest heavy, and need a very decent and pricey weapons to be viable.

And on top of that One hand + Shield has always struggle and was always inferior to DUal Wield, which was pretty much the same in terms of tankiness, but Dual Wield manage to do so so much more Damage, it wasn't even close to begin with it.
And let's be real the game is all about DAMAGE, and kill before you get killed, and will always be like that.
Melee was always, and i ***** mean always was big time inferior compare to ranged/casters. And melee has always require way more investment.

Yeah we get a high block/spell block chances, but do people and GGG realize that you pretty much have 6 Mandatory Ascendancy to get to a high block/spell chance ???
And all of this Ascendancy add minimum to zero Damage in returns.
The 6 Mandatory Ascendancy - Violent REetaliation, Painforged and Versatile Combatant, gives me exactly 34k DPS. And this is with 550 PDPS sword on Physical Double Strike Build.

For a pure example with One hand and Shield, which is absolutely not optimal for Slayer, if i get 6 Ascendancy i get 500k+ PDPS ....

And then GGG tells us for little investment, are you ***** kidding me, you call that little investment ??? I'm losing more than 500k. DPS for just to get the Block Spell Chance to 79%(with quite investment in the tree as well)....

And just like i said, you also have to invest in the tree quite a lot to get to a 75+ block chance, and your damage suffer big time, as well as your HP.
With an Expensive top gear, your going to be in the range of 5,5-6,5k Life.
And damage will be 50000x less than Ranged/Caster or Slayer or Champion builds for example.

watchu mean son, everyone and their grandma league started gladiators, most of the ssf hc competitions were block glad festivals, glad was getting away with a lot more than anyone slightly to the left or right in the passive tree, or even the other ascendancies for the same class

Glad does no damage tho. Lucky if you break 3m

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DontKillTeal wrote:

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RoyalMarauder wrote:

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Vvulf wrote:

Seems a lot of people in this thread never actually played a high block Lacerate gladiator.

First GGG nerfed the bleed craft (60% chance for 100% more bleed damage).

Now they're nerfing two more integral parts of the build. Block Glads got hit not only with the nerf to Versatile Combatant, but ALSO to the NEW 25% mana reservation on Tempest Shield.

For high block Lacerate builds, Glad already had 85% mana reserved with Pride (50%), Herald of Purity (25%), and Blood and Sand (10%). Tempest Shield was needed for the added block percentage, but it didn't reserve any mana.

Now, EVEN IF Blood and Sand is dropped...high block gladiators will be at 100% mana reserved with Pride (50), Herald of Purity (25%) and Tempest Shield (25%).

Combined with the nerf to bleed damage previously, this build is dead...and the sad part is that IT WAS NEVER a high DPS build. It was just fun and tanky.

Exactly. And Gladiator builds were always more of a min-max, and pretty much never a budget build. You need to really invest heavy, and need a very decent and pricey weapons to be viable.

And on top of that One hand + Shield has always struggle and was always inferior to DUal Wield, which was pretty much the same in terms of tankiness, but Dual Wield manage to do so so much more Damage, it wasn't even close to begin with it.
And let's be real the game is all about DAMAGE, and kill before you get killed, and will always be like that.
Melee was always, and i ***** mean always was big time inferior compare to ranged/casters. And melee has always require way more investment.

Yeah we get a high block/spell block chances, but do people and GGG realize that you pretty much have 6 Mandatory Ascendancy to get to a high block/spell chance ???
And all of this Ascendancy add minimum to zero Damage in returns.
The 6 Mandatory Ascendancy - Violent REetaliation, Painforged and Versatile Combatant, gives me exactly 34k DPS. And this is with 550 PDPS sword on Physical Double Strike Build.

For a pure example with One hand and Shield, which is absolutely not optimal for Slayer, if i get 6 Ascendancy i get 500k+ PDPS ....

And then GGG tells us for little investment, are you ***** kidding me, you call that little investment ??? I'm losing more than 500k. DPS for just to get the Block Spell Chance to 79%(with quite investment in the tree as well)....

And just like i said, you also have to invest in the tree quite a lot to get to a 75+ block chance, and your damage suffer big time, as well as your HP.
With an Expensive top gear, your going to be in the range of 5,5-6,5k Life.
And damage will be 50000x less than Ranged/Caster or Slayer or Champion builds for example.

watchu mean son, everyone and their grandma league started gladiators, most of the ssf hc competitions were block glad festivals, glad was getting away with a lot more than anyone slightly to the left or right in the passive tree, or even the other ascendancies for the same class

Next time don't read between the lines. I explain it perfectly.
You just have absolutely MANDATORY Ascendancy and they are 6, the last 2 are ga***** anyway, and you get no ****** damage from them.
Unless someone is running legacy gear, your damage always going to *****.
And Gladiator is One Hand + Shield, as well as Duel Wield. And Duel Wield is way stronger in terms of damage, but the damage is still super low, compare to other builds, and what to say about One Hand and a Shield, the damage is absolutely crap, and you have to invest heavy to max your block.
You are obviously a troll or a Gladiator hater, seeing what Ascendancy you are playing ...
Slayer is like 10000x time stronger in terms of damage.

So glad Block node being moved to tree in a semi nerfed state, and glads going to get something to replace it meaning they can get both.... and it's rip glad thread time?

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Bleu42 wrote:

So glad Block node being moved to tree in a semi nerfed state, and glads going to get something to replace it meaning they can get both.... and it's rip glad thread time?

The only reason to play glad was for the block defense layer. It's now gone. It never had high dps output (unless ur bleed bow and that got thrown in dumpster last league) now there is no reason to play it

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RitualMurder wrote:

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Bleu42 wrote:

So glad Block node being moved to tree in a semi nerfed state, and glads going to get something to replace it meaning they can get both.... and it's rip glad thread time?

The only reason to play glad was for the block defense layer. It's now gone. It never had high dps output (unless ur bleed bow and that got thrown in dumpster last league) now there is no reason to play it

Maybe that's true for you? But try not to speak for everyone else. Also not sure how bleed bow got 'thrown in the dumpster' as yall love to over exaggerate for *every* *little* *thing*. Glad was and still will be great for all things bleed, whether that's bow or SST or melee, and there's players such as myself who don't pick up the block nodes, as grabbing bleed / challenger charges and then just painforged or charge generation works well too.

Secondly, I see you chose not to address my main point; The block node STILL exists, and on the tree for everyone to use, just in a nerfed state. Which means glads will get something ELSE in that ascendancy spot, meaning they can get both the block keystone as well as whatever is new.

But yes, again, everything is dumpster everything is always nuked from orbit everything always sucks wow why can't ggg learn from us how to balance

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Bleu42 wrote:

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RitualMurder wrote:

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Bleu42 wrote:

So glad Block node being moved to tree in a semi nerfed state, and glads going to get something to replace it meaning they can get both.... and it's rip glad thread time?

The only reason to play glad was for the block defense layer. It's now gone. It never had high dps output (unless ur bleed bow and that got thrown in dumpster last league) now there is no reason to play it

Maybe that's true for you? But try not to speak for everyone else. Also not sure how bleed bow got 'thrown in the dumpster' as yall love to over exaggerate for *every* *little* *thing*. Glad was and still will be great for all things bleed, whether that's bow or SST or melee, and there's players such as myself who don't pick up the block nodes, as grabbing bleed / challenger charges and then just painforged or charge generation works well too.

Secondly, I see you chose not to address my main point; The block node STILL exists, and on the tree for everyone to use, just in a nerfed state. Which means glads will get something ELSE in that ascendancy spot, meaning they can get both the block keystone as well as whatever is new.

But yes, again, everything is dumpster everything is always nuked from orbit everything always sucks wow why can't ggg learn from us how to balance

50% block is a joke. Don't even pretend that matters. And my bleed bow glad lost 80% of his dps in 3.15. It's dead as a door nail.

yeah new one Shots..... PoE pls !!!!

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Bleu42 wrote:

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RitualMurder wrote:

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Bleu42 wrote:

So glad Block node being moved to tree in a semi nerfed state, and glads going to get something to replace it meaning they can get both.... and it's rip glad thread time?

The only reason to play glad was for the block defense layer. It's now gone. It never had high dps output (unless ur bleed bow and that got thrown in dumpster last league) now there is no reason to play it

Maybe that's true for you? But try not to speak for everyone else. Also not sure how bleed bow got 'thrown in the dumpster' as yall love to over exaggerate for *every* *little* *thing*. Glad was and still will be great for all things bleed, whether that's bow or SST or melee, and there's players such as myself who don't pick up the block nodes, as grabbing bleed / challenger charges and then just painforged or charge generation works well too.

Secondly, I see you chose not to address my main point; The block node STILL exists, and on the tree for everyone to use, just in a nerfed state. Which means glads will get something ELSE in that ascendancy spot, meaning they can get both the block keystone as well as whatever is new.

But yes, again, everything is dumpster everything is always nuked from orbit everything always sucks wow why can't ggg learn from us how to balance

It's true for most builds. We were already hit very hard on the DPS terms going into the 3.15, and now it's worst.
And he is 100% right.
It was a pure trade-off, you are investing heavily, and from your Ascendancy you are getting pretty much survivability only. With a One Hand and Shield, and Double Strike(one of very few actually true Melee Skill), with 550+ PDPS sword and The Surrender, with solid gear all else, Awakening Gems, my Damage is an absolutely joke. And the moment you start struggling and killing packs instantly, you are as good as Dead, no matter how much block chance you get.
And that is with Blind(also get nerfed big time for melee), with Fortify and with a good build ....

POE is all about Damage, and defense is always going to be a crap, when the game is build as it is. Melee is always going to be crap, compare to ranged/casters.

And why on the blue hell they want to generalize everything ??? This is dumb a***. Than just remove all the ****** character, they are becoming a joke already, as everyone have access to your "uniqueness". Ascendancy was for that - make your build an absolutely unique and different.

And you don't know where they going to put the Block keystone, and the drawback is an ABSOLUTELY huge, which mean you will have to invest EVEN more in Block, which will mean even crapier DPS ....

And can you show us your bleed gladiator you are talking about, cause i didn't see it in your tab stash.
Bleed was hit hard not long time ago, if you forget this.

Every single fun build, that wasn't OP at all, but has some good mechanics was hit super hard, by the GGG. The moment you start having fun with a X build, they are going to kill your fun.
The game is an absolutely mess and a joke.

I got to be completely blind and ****** to comeback and play POE, over New World or ESO.

Meanwhile people who can do some math in their head are not worried because of the lucky block chance.

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Atech2 wrote:

Meanwhile people who can do some math in their head are not worried because of the lucky block chance.

That math does not work out because you will need to get the Keystone in the first place which is a loss in skill points.