Get rid of the xp loss

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

The serious point is that your implied assertion that all other alternative death penalties are purely head tricks is an exaggeration. There have been many proposed in the probably hundreds of threads like this. It seems to me to be rather close minded to think no other death penalty could possibly replace the current experience point penalty. I would be willing to bet that if by some miracle GGG decided to change the current penalty that you would be here in the forums the next day vehemently and aggressively defending that new death penalty no matter what it was.

I'm willing to entertain other options - in fact I've argued several times within this thread alone for a much harsher death penalty - but the reality is that the current penalty (players lose experience toward the next level) is literally the most lenient penalty possible (aside from "no penalty at all" I guess, which for reasons already covered is an idiotic suggestion).

So, let's have that conversation then: what other options exist?

Should gear have durability, so that dying requires players to spend currency repairing it or it becomes unequippable?

Should GGG cut out the middleman and just rip currency out of people's stash tabs?

Should players lose all of the loot they've grabbed so far in that map?

Should players de-level if they're below 5% experience?

Should players' skill gems lose experience?

All of these options are much, much harsher than the current system which - and I cannot overemphasize this point - absolutely does not matter to characters below level 95. Like... at all. You can literally die once or twice in every single map and still hit lvl 95, which I know for a fact because I've DONE it dozens of times.

I've got to level 97 just by delving, on characters that die a LOT. You just can't die every 10 seconds, which is honestly a pretty damn low bar to clear. So when you say "the death penalty doesn't have to be exp loss," you're absolutely right? But I don't know if you understand how gentle this current penalty is, and that any alterative GGG might come up with would be FAR harsher.

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Turtledove wrote:

The other thing I want to point out was that Sabranic_SilverDeth must not read your posts because he claimed that no one has proposed a harder death penalty than the current penalty.

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Sabranic_SilverDeth wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

The other thing I want to point out was that Sabranic_SilverDeth must not read your posts because he claimed that no one has proposed a harder death penalty than the current penalty.

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LockeZz wrote:

If death is without penalty, defense mechanics will literally useless, I can just all in DPS since death is nothing to me.

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LockeZz wrote:

which brought a message to some player that "DPS is everything" which is very much disagree.

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Turtledove wrote:

A strawman argument means setting up a false argument and then refuting that false argument instead of the real argument. Since I wasn't setting up any argument nor refuting any argument.

Perhaps this might help

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You can't do that for a lot of encounters in the game. You need to have a reasonable ehp or you will not even get to finish your map before the 6 portals run out. Then there's all the hardcore lite experiences such as ritual, ultimatum (if they add it), incursions, delve, blight maps (somewhat), labyrinth, all bosses etc. Game already punishes you heavily for being a glass cannon and the experience penalty is more punishing of certain builds that don't have that easy access to defense (most ranger builds) and that penalty only snowballs into your character weakness because no exp = no additional skill points = your character remains weak etc.

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LockeZz wrote:

If death is without penalty, defense mechanics will literally useless, I can just all in DPS since death is nothing to me.