3.15 is alright, for people who know what to do. Casuals or part-timers, the worst patch ever

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kuciol wrote:

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index wrote:

Or maybe they will change exactly that, hope dies last. You right now are projecting your thoughts on the disillusioned part of the community.

No they wont, not because of those topics and toxicity. It kinda works backwords with such things. They MAY change their mind if the player count drops below what they consider "worth it" and only because of that.

Many of those people posting/making steam reviews/reddit did stop playing, they are just trying to use the given channels and try to make a difference to push the game back into a from their perspective more enjoyable spot.

Nothing wrong with that

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index wrote:

Many of those people posting/making steam reviews/reddit did stop playing, they are just trying to use the given channels and try to make a difference to push the game back into a from their perspective more enjoyable spot.

Nothing wrong with that

There is feedback and there is childish rant. Those people are in the second category. Its wrong because if how its done. 1 topic, 1 or 2 posts and its enough. Throwing a tantrum in 30 same topics is not ok. We both know people here do exactly that.

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AcrylicHercules wrote:

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QuiquePoE wrote:

No. What saddens you is that they won't have fun the same way that you do.

Not in the least. What saddens me is that so many people who are no longer having fun would rather see the game fail than see the game go a different direction.

And why would you think they want the game to fail? I think they just want GGG to not make the game go in such a different direction. A direction they made the game go for what, 8 years? Is that so hard to fathom?

Or would you want these players, many of whom are very invested in the game, to just shut up and leave?[/quote]

I'm talking about stuff like this. Aside from the "boycott GGG" stuff, we have an active effort to review-bomb PoE on Steam going on right now. It's not just people giving their opinion like they would any other product on any other day. The very first review is somebody who has over 200 games in their Steam library and had never reviewed any of them. They have over 10k hours played in PoE, yet had never reviewed PoE either, even though they have clearly enjoyed it for a long time. Then they go out of their way to write their one and only game review to tell people not to play PoE.



And they're clearly not the only ones taking an extra effort to turn other players away from the game. There's a big difference between "I'm not enjoying it so I'm going to go play something else" and "GGG won't listen to us so let's hurt them until they either listen or go under".[/quote]

So what? Review bombing is downvoting a product for unrelated faults, or by multiple newly created accounts just for the purpose of review bombing.

Like for example what happened to borderlands 2 reviews when borderlands 3 suddenly turned out to be an epic exclusive. That is review bombing.

This right now is just publishing your opinion about the product at a given time. I changed my review accordingly to 3.15 as well, as I do for every single league.

Why would someone make a positive review on a product he does not enjoy. Also it is at the same time fault for GGG not communicating on the official channels with the alienated community at all. I think a lot of this entire mess by now is more about GGG not even adressing the problems.
I am not talking about changing it back or whatever, but they do not even give a statement about this current shitfest.
They clearly do have the ressources and manpower to do so, I mean anyone of those "Content" Removed personal here would be able to write a response.
Obviously only should do so after the response is thought out by the upper levels.
But them just ignoring the state of the alienated part, being like everything is fine. Just agitates those parts of the community even further.

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index wrote:

I am not talking about changing it back or whatever, but they do not even give a statement about this current shitfest.
They clearly do have the ressources and manpower to do so, I mean anyone of those "Content" Removed personal here would be able to write a response.
Obviously only should do so after the response is thought out by the upper levels.
But them just ignoring the state of the alienated part, being like everything is fine. Just agitates those parts of the community even further.

BUT THEY ALREADY DID THAT! What else you want them to say? Chris himself said that they know players will get angry but they want to keep going THIS direction from now on regardless. THE END. Nothing besides "we are sorry we are rolling 3.13 now" wont satisfy you anyway so why even bother? What do you expect them to say? Thats why i call this topics stupid childish rant. They are pointless.

So what he wanted to say in that statement is:

Players are vanity.

That is enough of a reason to feel agitated

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index wrote:

So what he wanted to say in that statement is:

Players are vanity.

That is enough of a reason to feel agitated

No, he said "we dont like how the game turned out to be so we are corecting that, take it or leave it". I ask again, what the hell are they supposed to tell when anything besides "sorry, deploying a reroll" wont satisfy you?

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Aside from the "boycott GGG" stuff, we have an active effort to review-bomb PoE on Steam going on right now. It's not just people giving their opinion like they would any other product on any other day. The very first review is somebody who has over 200 games in their Steam library and had never reviewed any of them. They have over 10k hours played in PoE, yet had never reviewed PoE either, even though they have clearly enjoyed it for a long time. Then they go out of their way to write their one and only game review to tell people not to play PoE.

if someone has 10k hours into a game and writes his first negative review ever, I guess he really don't like the game.

I don't find anything strange with this. He has literally spent 10k hours of his life playing this game and GGG decided to change the game in a direction where he's not enjoying it anymore. So he makes a negative review telling others why he doesn't like it.

Seems perfectly fine to me.
I also uninstalled PoE this league, maybe I should write a review warning others what lead me to doing it.
I don't fine the game fun right now, best thing I can do is share my experience and maybe prevent people who're likeminded from wasting their time.

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AcrylicHercules wrote:

Aside from the "boycott GGG" stuff, we have an active effort to review-bomb PoE on Steam going on right now. It's not just people giving their opinion like they would any other product on any other day. The very first review is somebody who has over 200 games in their Steam library and had never reviewed any of them. They have over 10k hours played in PoE, yet had never reviewed PoE either, even though they have clearly enjoyed it for a long time. Then they go out of their way to write their one and only game review to tell people not to play PoE.

From my experience, people usually turn to forums or leave bad reviews for things they are unsatisfied with. How many times did you buy something and wrote a review or turned to the forums to express you're satisfied with what you bought? Because we expect to be satisfied. It's when we don't that we seek channels to complain.

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AcrylicHercules wrote:

And they're clearly not the only ones taking an extra effort to turn other players away from the game. There's a big difference between "I'm not enjoying it so I'm going to go play something else" and "GGG won't listen to us so let's hurt them until they either listen or go under".

I honestly don't think they mean to do them harm. But I firmly belive they are just fighting for what they want. Which, regardless of the outcome, I can't see as wrong.

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kuciol wrote:

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QuiquePoE wrote:

I don't condone threats or namecalling or anything of that sort. But you don't know the effect this will have, do you? Just a few days into the league and they had to somewhat reverse some of the changes.

Time will tell I guess.

They didnt "revert them" they adjusted them, it was expected. The changes they made were kept, they change few numbers and you call that a win? I know for a fact what efect it will have. Its always the same. Im here long enough to know that. Trade? Harvest? Double dipping? Vaal pact? All those topics about them made wonders right?

Well, going up to 10 and then going back to 5, for me, is reversing. But w/e.

With "effect" I also mean the loss of players (something that you mentioned). Not just the forum or Reddit topics.

It's not wrong. People want to be heard, and GGG is notorious for not listening. I don't know if it will work, but I doubt it. Chris is in a good position to do whatever he wants here, and I am pretty sure he will. They may throw a few bones here and there, but It's not going to change anything significant.

Couse , I could be wrong...wouldn't be the first time.