Will anything ever change Chris Wilson's philosophy on PoE?

Vennto stop it. It is a boring grind. [Removed by Support]

Many players, example streamers will always make currency in any league. It is not a problem. Many players cannot make currency in ANY league. It is always a problem for them. However, the way we make currency at present is very dull, compared to past leagues, even heist league was more fun. (no harvest)

Making 6x T1's should be an achievable endgame goal, but not in masses.

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However, the way we make currency at present is very dull, compared to past leagues, even heist league was more fun. (no harvest)

And this is where I simply disagree, sorry. In 3.14 there were so many different options to make currency..

- bossing
- Harvest
- Heist
- Betrayal
- Valdo´s, Harbinger Farming
- Lira/Proxima, Breach-Farming
- Lira, Mapping + selling contracts
- Ritual
- Juiced Deli-Maps
- Simulacrums
- Lab-Running

How many options do people need? In what way is it dull to have AT LEAST 11 options to make multiple ex per hour with playing the game in various ways? Yes, it´s often mapping, but that is PoE Endgame, aside from Delve-Nerf it hasn´t been different compared to past leagues.

Ye, playing Path of Trade is still one of the best options, but definately not the only one as any of the above listed ways gives you a nice ex per hour ratio. I don´t get how people can honestly feel they have no options. Some might be better than others, I don´t even argue that. But sacrificing a bit to play something you personally like is always worth it and all of the aforementioned methods gives you great results with 3-4 Ex per Hour at least, meaning you are looking at 50 hours to have a well-functioning, pretty stacked endgame character. That´s less than 1 hour a day. or less than 2 hours every other day. I don´t say you have to be able to play that, but it´s definatley nothing that needs to be "no-lifing" the game.

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Ye, playing Path of Trade is still one of the best options, but definately not the only one as any of the above listed ways gives you a nice ex per hour ratio.

Any of the above ways requires playing path of trade. You aren't going to drop 3-4 EX per hour with that. You'll drop stuff that can be sold for 3-4 EX per hour. To actually get a benefit out of it you still need to spend hours in your hideout selling all the shit you found and then even more hours on the trade website to find the gear you want, whisper people who hopefully answer and then buy the stuff you need from the few who actually respond.

It's just my personal opinion but i'd prefer crafting/upgrading my own gear without having to play Wallstreet broker all day. Too bad that's no longer possible. As far as i am concerned, it would have been better to just remove trade all together than to remove harvest. Nobody in his right mind can actually LIKE this bullshit. If there was any sort of QoL to it, it might be bearable but oh no, we can't have that. Trade needs to be just as mandatory as it is shitty.

How dare you to methion something as filthy as trade? Isn't the Holy Manifesto™ explicitly says that

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Chris wrote:

Most players who play Path of Exile never trade.
Most players who play Path of Exile never trade.
Most players who play Path of Exile never trade.

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Any of the above ways requires playing path of trade. You aren't going to drop 3-4 EX per hour with that. You'll drop stuff that can be sold for 3-4 EX per hour.

Agreed. Just want to add that I have a different definition of "Path of Trade". What I meant was basically flipping/sniping to produce currency. "Normal" Trading, in the sense how you described it, is for me part of the normal SC Experience.

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Vennto wrote:

But sacrificing a bit to play something you personally like is always worth it and all of the aforementioned methods gives you great results with 3-4 Ex per Hour at least, meaning you are looking at 50 hours to have a well-functioning, pretty stacked endgame character.

I mean an hour does it, part of the issue with currency generation threads is the number of plebs trying to copy a stacked version of the most popular build without any concept of how much that jacks the prices up.

I agree with your post about currency generation btw just feel like some players need it highlighting that the problem isn't their ability to generate currency, its their expectations of what is required and how to go there.

Make a build you want to play and just play the game they made currency drop from every activity if your willing to gather the shit together and sell it to someone.

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dW2005 wrote:

How dare you to methion something as filthy as trade? Isn't the Holy Manifesto™ explicitly says that

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Chris wrote:

Most players who play Path of Exile never trade.
Most players who play Path of Exile never trade.
Most players who play Path of Exile never trade.

That holy manifesto is a bunch of bullshit as far as i am concerned. Sure, most players who play POE never, or hardly ever trade. But most of them also never go past Act 10 so who cares.

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Vennto wrote:

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However, the way we make currency at present is very dull, compared to past leagues, even heist league was more fun. (no harvest)

And this is where I simply disagree, sorry. In 3.14 there were so many different options to make currency..

- bossing
- Harvest
- Heist
- Betrayal
- Valdo´s, Harbinger Farming
- Lira/Proxima, Breach-Farming
- Lira, Mapping + selling contracts
- Ritual
- Juiced Deli-Maps
- Simulacrums
- Lab-Running

How many options do people need? In what way is it dull to have AT LEAST 11 options to make multiple ex per hour with playing the game in various ways? Yes, it´s often mapping, but that is PoE Endgame, aside from Delve-Nerf it hasn´t been different compared to past leagues.

Ye, playing Path of Trade is still one of the best options, but definately not the only one as any of the above listed ways gives you a nice ex per hour ratio. I don´t get how people can honestly feel they have no options. Some might be better than others, I don´t even argue that. But sacrificing a bit to play something you personally like is always worth it and all of the aforementioned methods gives you great results with 3-4 Ex per Hour at least, meaning you are looking at 50 hours to have a well-functioning, pretty stacked endgame character. That´s less than 1 hour a day. or less than 2 hours every other day. I don´t say you have to be able to play that, but it´s definatley nothing that needs to be "no-lifing" the game.

I am well aware of the different ways of making currency. My 1p voices is worth more than your entire build, which was obtained weeks ago compared to your build at present.

I can go into details, which I have before why the game isn't fun at present compared to the past, including heist (without playing heist/harvest[no-fracture]) as i've said before.

People can just use 5-10ex builds like you've said and clear all content, but why? What are we targeting? What are we trying to accomplish? Wealth? A strong character that can clear everything? Like your -only- LVL98 character at this point in the league? People are going to get bored if they had to min-max a groundslam build I can tell you this.

People can play path of suffering and kill all content, and spend a lot of energy, knowledge trying to kill stuff while staying alive. Fun though? No. After a long day at work, people want to blow stuff up, and fly across the map, like a superhero. Sometimes they are happy doing it with 3-4k HP, but with insane damage. If you think I did this no, I play non-meta builds personally because I prefer cheaper builds, ones I can self-craft. I don't do meta harbinger farming /currency-like farming either, it bores me to pick up currency. I have my own ways of making currency. Going back again, people do not want to play path of suffering after living life of suffering. People do not want to play path of frustration(RNG) after living life of random-nonsense(RNG).

With your 11 ways to make currency, many of which were also detailed via videos, we have streamers 'done' with this game, we have overwhelming negative feedback (you will always get negative feedback in every league, just a matter of how much). Player count dropping so much, my friends list all-time low. Some friends not even playing this league after reading patch-notes. Public players randomly complaining about this league (not once last league btw). It is no coincidence that there are things not so nice about this league and whatever you are saying is nonsense.

I made a few pretty good crafts via essence spamming and modifying them with harvest and veiled mod (veiled mod is satisfactory btw, because I'm given 3 choices, sometimes all bad but im still happy). Was the entire process satisfactory? No. Did I make currency? More than you surely. (Quit your bragging)

Side-note:
Seeing them redact my post is a good sign, at least I know that they do read entire texts.

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Quit your bragging

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My 1p voices is worth more than your entire build, which was obtained weeks ago compared to your build at present.

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Did I make currency? More than you surely.

Love it when people dismantle themselves :D Aside from that, I doubt it. My Watchers Eye alone is more than a mirror, but whatever. Calling me trash before while I hold Nr. 1 DPS on Poe.Ninja shows that you don´t understand what you´re talking about. But keep Aura-Botting for your team while I make my currency solo ;-)

And if you think this game is so boring, maybe just stop playing it for a season. Don´t think it´s a big loss for the community, facing that you don´t accept other opinions than your own. I like the game, I like the grind, I like the state it is in. If you don´t, no one forces you to play it.

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Vennto wrote:

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Quit your bragging

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My 1p voices is worth more than your entire build, which was obtained weeks ago compared to your build at present.

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Did I make currency? More than you surely.

Love it when people dismantle themselves :D

What? I only talked about it now because you kept on going about people not being able to make currency which wasn't the point. You obviously felt like you are rich when you aren't.