new elementalist and golems

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Galtrovan wrote:

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M_atrix wrote:

For pure Golem builds - auto re-summon is just absolutely unnecessary. The only time my Golems actually died this league was in Hall of Grandmasters, they can tank everything else with no sweat, so having this instead of "20% increased Golem damage per Summoned Golem" is absolutely straight up BIG nerf...

Sad.

This! And the auto re-summon for an elementalist is absolutely stupid, because it's completely unnecessary. Anyone taking these node is going to be focusing on golems, and as such, the golems are not going to die.

It's all the other classes that choose to use a one-off golem in there build that needs an auto re-summon node, because these are the golems that are more often dead than alive.

And with the lost 120% Golem damage (at 6 golems), elementalist just became worse at running golems than a necromancer, although elementalist was probably already worse.

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It's not 120% at 6 golems, it's 90%, we only lose 15% per golem, since it was 20%+20% before, now it's 25% per golem.
Also necro does get the gem levels, but it loses the +2 golems. So without Clayshapers or some other way of getting more (but this means you can't use Cold Iron Points) you'll only have 4 golems. So Elementalist is still better for a Golem-focused build.

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Zod369 wrote:

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It's not 120% at 6 golems, it's 90%, we only lose 15% per golem, since it was 20%+20% before, now it's 25% per golem.
Also necro does get the gem levels, but it loses the +2 golems. So without Clayshapers or some other way of getting more (but this means you can't use Cold Iron Points) you'll only have 4 golems. So Elementalist is still better for a Golem-focused build.

Wrong!

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helt84 wrote:

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Zod369 wrote:

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It's not 120% at 6 golems, it's 90%, we only lose 15% per golem, since it was 20%+20% before, now it's 25% per golem.
Also necro does get the gem levels, but it loses the +2 golems. So without Clayshapers or some other way of getting more (but this means you can't use Cold Iron Points) you'll only have 4 golems. So Elementalist is still better for a Golem-focused build.

Wrong!

Go take a look at the video :) Or tell me where I'm wrong. Are you not agreeing with the math?
Find the Echoes of the Atlas videon on PoE's own Youtube, the clip with Elementalist is at 24:20.

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Zod369 wrote:

The 20% to 25% damage is caster damage not golem damage. Golem damage was nerfed 120%, not 90%.

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helt84 wrote:

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Galtrovan wrote:

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M_atrix wrote:

For pure Golem builds - auto re-summon is just absolutely unnecessary. The only time my Golems actually died this league was in Hall of Grandmasters, they can tank everything else with no sweat, so having this instead of "20% increased Golem damage per Summoned Golem" is absolutely straight up BIG nerf...

Sad.

This! And the auto re-summon for an elementalist is absolutely stupid, because it's completely unnecessary. Anyone taking these node is going to be focusing on golems, and as such, the golems are not going to die.

It's all the other classes that choose to use a one-off golem in there build that needs an auto re-summon node, because these are the golems that are more often dead than alive.

And with the lost 120% Golem damage (at 6 golems), elementalist just became worse at running golems than a necromancer, although elementalist was probably already worse.

It's not 120% at 6 golems, it's 90%, we only lose 15% per golem, since it was 20%+20% before, now it's 25% per golem.
Also necro does get the gem levels, but it loses the +2 golems. So without Clayshapers or some other way of getting more (but this means you can't use Cold Iron Points) you'll only have 4 golems. So Elementalist is still better for a Golem-focused build.
90% is really not that big of a nerf considering Carrion golems is the most played skill on poe.ninja in Heist League.
The build still works, it's far from dead. But will it be better than Spectres Necromancer? Patchnotes will tell.

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jackof8lades wrote:

I would rather not have seen a nerf on the ascendancy itself but rather a nerf on carrion golems, hopefully other golems get some love to compensate.