XP loss on death = time loss. Time loss = frustration/negative feelings.

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plaguefear wrote:

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Honestly, at the end of the day there is only one way of checking if your DPS/defenses are up to par. Play the fucking game. If you get hit by shit and bend over chances are your defenses are shit, if you take 10 minutes to kill a map boss chances are your DPS is shit. You don't need a tool tip, character sheet or even POB to figure this much out. And at the end of the day this game is so complex that non of them does a particularly good job at showing you defenses/DPS. POB especially often gives a completely flawed picture because of how much it compresses information.

DPS is a very specific metric based on averages and with the inherent assumption you actually stand there and dish out damage. Depending on your ability to actually do that your real DPS can be awesome or shit, no matter what POB says. Same for defenses. There is a large ass difference between a 12k EHP build who get's said EHP with ES stacking alone or one who has 6k HP and major mitigations. The higher the incoming damage is the harder it is to compensate it with sustain so high mitigation builds will always feel a lot better than pure HP sponges but in POB they will look the same.

The people in this community would do well to start using their brains and think for themselves instead of relying on guides, tools and numbers they don't even comprehend.

You don't have to live in a basement and play 24/7 for any of this. Finished high school and some common sense are all you need.

Oh well it must be that simple if the guy who has never got a character over 95 says so..
Thread is about random one shot deaths making the climb to 100 frustrating, you have never even been close to 100 so all your snark is worthless.

im not trying to be toxic but wtf is wrong with you... you literally "trash" others with that statement, kinda being a elitst and the other second you claim that all players which say otherwise are elitsts....
maybe you should learn more about defensive layers, then you would see how easy it is to avoid oneshots... the fact youre playing melee/life base build without divine flesh and only 5k life shows your knowledge about defenses and avoiding oneshots....
again, im not trying to be rude but holy sh*t

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plaguefear wrote:

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Honestly, at the end of the day there is only one way of checking if your DPS/defenses are up to par. Play the fucking game. If you get hit by shit and bend over chances are your defenses are shit, if you take 10 minutes to kill a map boss chances are your DPS is shit. You don't need a tool tip, character sheet or even POB to figure this much out. And at the end of the day this game is so complex that non of them does a particularly good job at showing you defenses/DPS. POB especially often gives a completely flawed picture because of how much it compresses information.

DPS is a very specific metric based on averages and with the inherent assumption you actually stand there and dish out damage. Depending on your ability to actually do that your real DPS can be awesome or shit, no matter what POB says. Same for defenses. There is a large ass difference between a 12k EHP build who get's said EHP with ES stacking alone or one who has 6k HP and major mitigations. The higher the incoming damage is the harder it is to compensate it with sustain so high mitigation builds will always feel a lot better than pure HP sponges but in POB they will look the same.

The people in this community would do well to start using their brains and think for themselves instead of relying on guides, tools and numbers they don't even comprehend.

You don't have to live in a basement and play 24/7 for any of this. Finished high school and some common sense are all you need.

Oh well it must be that simple if the guy who has never got a character over 95 says so..
Thread is about random one shot deaths making the climb to 100 frustrating, you have never even been close to 100 so all your snark is worthless.

He knows more than you and he doesn't complain that's a fact. Writing counters isn't going to improve your gameplay nor make you die less like the other guy no matter how hard you try it and if you die in one single hit that's your fault entirely nothing more.

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vmt80 wrote:

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vmt80 wrote:

I feel discussion of XP penalty always goes in circles, partly because it comes down to actual preferences of people and they differ. It's not about player skill alone but player preferences on enjoying a game, which is why gid gut doesn't cut it.

whiteknights still try to convince people that they shouldnt have any other preference or "opinion"

"i simply dont like it because it steals my time and is frustrating
it actually makes me quit playing the game, so if making a suggestion to remove/rework that penalty is against any rules please report it otherwise convincing me in believing that the penalty is ok how it is that wont work anyway"

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Wladicorist1 wrote:

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vmt80 wrote:

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vmt80 wrote:

I feel discussion of XP penalty always goes in circles, partly because it comes down to actual preferences of people and they differ. It's not about player skill alone but player preferences on enjoying a game, which is why gid gut doesn't cut it.

whiteknights still try to convince people that they shouldnt have any other preference or "opinion"

"i simply dont like it because it steals my time and is frustrating
it actually makes me quit playing the game, so if making a suggestion to remove/rework that penalty is against any rules please report it otherwise convincing me in believing that the penalty is ok how it is that wont work anyway"

You can have whatever opinion and preference you like, nobody gives a shit. But if you demand the game to change for everyone because you don't like it you should be prepared for people to argue against it because some of us actually like it the way it is. Hard to imagine I know but I am honest here.

Funny how you complain about others not accepting your opinion while in the same sentence condemning them for having a opinion different to yours.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

You can have whatever opinion and preference you like, nobody gives a shit. But if you demand the game to change for everyone because you don't like it you should be prepared for people to argue against it because some of us actually like it the way it is. Hard to imagine I know but I am honest here.

Funny how you complain about others not accepting your opinion while in the same sentence condemning them for having a opinion different to yours.

there was a suggestion to make a soft softcore league without the penalty
but guess what people were against it
why???
i could give less shits either btw
and insulting people with their opinions isnt really an opinion ...

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Baharoth15 wrote:

You can have whatever opinion and preference you like, nobody gives a shit. But if you demand the game to change for everyone because you don't like it you should be prepared for people to argue against it because some of us actually like it the way it is. Hard to imagine I know but I am honest here.

Funny how you complain about others not accepting your opinion while in the same sentence condemning them for having a opinion different to yours.

Look, I took a break of 2-3 years from the game to come back this autumn. Those days there was every week or so a new thread of the same subject, people feeling that DP sucks. Fastforward year 2020, people start new threads in which they basically state that DP sucks and they don't like the mechanic. So people still don't like it, and the 'argument' we are having here is that they should suck it up, cause that's the way devs intended it and that's the way it is. So what are we supposed to make an argument about, then?

Clearly we are talking about subjective preferences and they haven't really changed all these years that much. That's why there's HC leagues or standard league. Hell, I've been playing SSF since I hated the trading aspect, and yes I do think it sucks how the game has been set up to make SSF player as miserable as possible. It narrows options so much it is ridiculous, and the politics is, 'SSF players are tolerated as long as they keep quiet and suck it up'. As long as I can remember there have been plenty of players who don't like the way DP is implemented in game.

I know no other gaming community which treats its notable player groups as absolute pariah. It's sad really, since PoE has such great aspects about it, it would have all the ingredients to make it a true gem of a game. But at the same time, devs and game community both have certain dogmatic approach to any problematic features about it which stems so much needless toxicity and lack of vision.

I'm not saying DP should be just got rid of entirely, it's good to have a system of checks in a game. But to me it seems certain systems of check in PoE are ridiculous, as having to work your ass off for a year or so to get a enough splinters to chance having 1 goddamn Chayula run in SSF, or having a death penalty at 95+ which takes half a day or more to recover from.

Maybe my views are skewed because as I implicated, I don't have access to GG gear for the endgame just like that. But boy let me assure you it drains all fun from playing the game when you dedicate your time and in return it gives you a big FU on your face with features I spoke of. The basic thing is, PoE has absolutely zero respect for players time spent on it, and I think it's not just the death penalty but also how you accumulate access to actual content in game. It's not black and white, there ought to be effort made to succeed but it's catering to very few people in it's current form, I think.

I really don't want a shitfest and I apologize already if I said something offensive to those who think differently about it.

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vmt80 wrote:

Look, I took a break of 2-3 years from the game to come back this autumn. Those days there was every week or so a new thread of the same subject, people feeling that DP sucks. Fastforward year 2020, people start new threads in which they basically state that DP sucks and they don't like the mechanic.

And they're written by the same 5 people every time. Do you know how many exp qq threads wladicorist alone has written? He threatens to quit the game every single league and lo and behold you see him back next league with dozens of challenges.

It's all an empty threat in an echo chamber seeing as how this subforum is literally the only place I've ever seen anyone complain about the exp penalty. You would think that if this sentiment was remotely popular that you would at least see this on the front page of reddit once.

At the end of the day this is a noob's problem that they should be naturally growing out of. There's a very good reason why you don't see other games balance their game around the bottom of the barrel, it's because that leads a worse game. The game should not be dragged down to their level.

And if that's what people really want then they need to go and play d3. Oh but then people say d3 sucks.. yea no shit it sucks. It sucks because the devs catered to the casuals. That game sucks because it was designed so that even a grandma could play it.

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yamface wrote:

You would think that if this sentiment was remotely popular that you would at least see this on the front page of reddit once.

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA xD
dude
reddit mods insta delete these posts
and if the post is to old it gets closed
wow gread way to keep down the critique
dont make me laugh man reddit is crap and ggg still listens to it instead of their own forum ...

dozens of challanges? you mean my single time with 36/40 in metamorph?
lol its because it was ez
i leave the league halfway through almost every league
cus of the dp
but well im tired of explaining it to everyone
if you know that i did allready "SO MANY QQ" threads then you'd know what i'm talking about
and there we go again
"everyone who complains about something is automatically QQ whining and crying"
seriously grow up ...

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Wladicorist1 wrote:

reddit is crap and ggg still listens to it instead of their own forum ...

gee I wonder why

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vmt80 wrote:

I know no other gaming community which treats its notable player groups as absolute pariah. It's sad really, since PoE has such great aspects about it, it would have all the ingredients to make it a true gem of a game. But at the same time, devs and game community both have certain dogmatic approach to any problematic features about it which stems so much needless toxicity and lack of vision.

And why is this? The answer is important because it reveals everything important about this discussion.

The devs and the supporters you're talking about defend this vision because PoE is the most successful spiritual successor to D2 - and we don't have a lot of good alternatives. Conversely there are a ton of other casual ARPGs you can play. Tons. Like, yeah, supporters of this are going to push back against opinions that would dilute this. When the game becomes yet another casual theme-park snoozefest its over for those who appreciate the old school elements.

It's already a true gem of a game for this group. It's probably already veered too far off course for most of these people, and so the more off course the game gets, the more vehemently they will argue against further promotion of shallow features and casual handholding. And yes, I generally speaking put myself in this group.