GGG it's time to release a statement about what happened this league.

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Phrazz wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Can you imagine a developer meeting where: "I dont know why players didnt like the league, there were mobs to kill that dropped loot wasnt there?"

Well, THIS is also over-simplifying it, don't you think? You'll find A LOT of players liking ALL the leagues YOU deem as "bad".

Threads like this, this discussion between you and me, just shows that people value different things. Should GGG funnel their development to always reach their masses, discard their own views and visions? Or should they maybe try to variate, trying to reach everyone?

I could name a pretty long list of games that went to shit the moment the developers started to 'only' cater to the masses, blindly following numbers.

Anyhow, using "ARPG" as an argument, just because a league doesn't build upon what you want it to build upon, still looks stupid in my eyes. The main ingredients will always be there: Kill, loot, craft, gear, progress.

I mean...ok? I think its pretty obvious to state some players like some things and other players dont. Obviously what I'm saying is my opinion (although there is some evidence to suggest these "killing mob leagues" like breach or legion) are better recieved by the players from a numbers standpoint, than what I would consider more niche league concepts.

I suppose to your point, we really do view league concepts differently, which isnt really all that unexpected or surprising.

People using the word "Entitlement" in a non-trolling sentence should take a step back to re-think everything in their lives.

Goddamn, it's too much asking quality from a game we like ? Like someone previously pointed-out it's the same for everyone working, imagine coming late to your work, doing everything wrong and still managing to get paid, "because".

Yeah, i'm so entitled to play a game in good conditions and not bugged to the bones every league since war of the atlas. Anyway it's just a matter of balance, companies not treating well their clients are closing every day, maybe it's just a matter of time for GGG. They had the luck to be at the right place at the right time without much adversity.

Chris lied to the players and said GGG was ahead of schedule on developing both Harvest and Heist. He doesn't care what players think, only what they spend (sales of the useless Delirium stash tab were sky high by his own words.) They don't have to make a statement on anything unless revenue decreases.

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DiabloImmoral wrote:

Chris lied to the players and said GGG was ahead of schedule on developing both Harvest and Heist. He doesn't care what players think, only what they spend (sales of the useless Delirium stash tab were sky high by his own words.) They don't have to make a statement on anything unless revenue decreases.

How is it that he lied?

PoE is a testing ground for PoE2 advancement. Their agenda for PoE2 is on schedule. Our playing and testing is on schedule. Leagues are now essentially PoE2 concept/experimenting and beta testing cycles.

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DiabloImmoral wrote:

Chris lied to the players

You can't be serious.

This kind of statement is usually found in FPS forums and other shooter games where kids run rampant bashing a developer.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Many people are making massive currency profits by doing nothing but opening a grand heist, running to predetermined chest locations, collecting drops, and rinse/repeat.

OK... so?
I couldn't care less how other people are making massive profits.If they want to play 20 hours a day and be super efficient that's their choice.
If GGG doesn't want it in the game they will remove it. But since it's been in the game and they've known that people are doing it, they've had time to change it.
So either it's something they can't easily change or they aren't going to.
My money is that they aren't going to remove it. They might alter it in some way though.

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Gulch wrote:

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DiabloImmoral wrote:

Chris lied to the players

You can't be serious.

This kind of statement is usually found in FPS forums and other shooter games where kids run rampant bashing a developer.

Doesn’t erase the fact that he did lie to us

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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mrtournevis wrote:

People using the word "Entitlement" in a non-trolling sentence should take a step back to re-think everything in their lives

Lmfao

I dont know how else you could possibly view the thread title and the OP.

GGG must make a statement and explain to us their development timelines and execution? More than they already do? Really? A special post, for special folks I guess. Seriously... just Wow.

Or what? You are going to stomp up the stairs and slam your door? Or maybe you could berate the cashier and ask for the manager. Maybe threaten to play Wolcen instead?

All I know is that there are some epic snowflakes playing PoE atm. It wasn't always this way 6 or 7 years ago. Its so brutal and cringe now.

So to summerize your take Darth, people are entitled, cringe and snow flakes for wanting a working product. In this case an expansion that doesn't crash a lot, where new mechanics actually work at least after one week.

You go on and on about entitlement and make wierd posts about us slamming doors and wanting letters from Chris Wilson. I'm happy for you if this league has worked amazing for you without issues. Tens of thousands of people have had another experience completely. Calling them snow flakes when they barely can play the game is just useless and unconstructive so please just stop. I've already explained to you what my post meant.

1. Game was never unplayable. There were bugs and technical issues (I'm not defending those) but let's not get insanely hyperbolic. A non-working product...c'mon. I mean can we reserve this outrage for server or client issues, character retrieval, stash problems, or similar that we have seen in other games? Please have some perspective.

2. GGG doesn't owe players a detailed explanation beyond acknowledgement and patching timelines. Asking for a specific post, which I understood to be what
amounts to an apology? That's ridiculous. And what would it actually accomplish? Like an emotional response of forgiveness and relief? I mean can you explain the goal here from a post standpoint? What difference would it make?

3. I dont know what "experience" you are referencing that impacted "tens of thousands" of players that you have apparently been nominated to speak on behalf of.

4. So in summary. Yes, demanding an apology and explanation post is definitely venturing into snowflake territory. And what happens if you dont get it? I'd like to hear what you plan to do.

*Keep pressing F5 for a news post, and PM to your account.

Man this is some overeactions memes here get over yourself dude like no matter how dogshit the league is which imo it is. It's STILL going to be better then any other ARPG by a ten fold that's how good poe is.

Yes it was a disaster buggy filled wolcen etc

But holy fuck you don't demand shit

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Gulch wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Many people are making massive currency profits by doing nothing but opening a grand heist, running to predetermined chest locations, collecting drops, and rinse/repeat.

OK... so?
I couldn't care less how other people are making massive profits.If they want to play 20 hours a day and be super efficient that's their choice.
If GGG doesn't want it in the game they will remove it. But since it's been in the game and they've known that people are doing it, they've had time to change it.
So either it's something they can't easily change or they aren't going to.
My money is that they aren't going to remove it. They might alter it in some way though.

Out of context. Idc what people do for currency or how many hours they play. I was saying dont give me this league concept BS about how everything is arpg mob kill & loot focused when it clearly isnt.

If it wasnt abundantly clear, I think these weird leagues aren't good for the game. (But I don't expect a GGG post explaining why they do it)