Labyrinth is still not fun. It's horrible content

It's the worst addition to the game since closed beta.


It's the only reason i level only one character per league

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Xavathos wrote:

The good folks at GGG spent a ton of time creating this content and people have been running it for so long. Feedback has been listened to, some things about it changed over time, but ultimately it's still here. If they found it necessary to remove this content, it would have already happened long ago.

This is kind of obviously disproved by chris wilson's own words in the latest baeclast.

For those who did not watch it. Chris wilson comes out and admits that they are going to use poe 2 as an excuse to remove quite a few things from the core poe experience that they have not liked.

Things hes said they have left in the game because they found it difficult to justify removing content from the game without an extremely good reason.

Some examples are: the socket link system which Chris hated almost immediately after it was too late to change. And that is a far more fundamental system than lab ever was.

So there are actually tons of things ggg has found necessary to remove but they needed to wait for a correct time to remove them.


Again I have pointed this out else where but there is a very obvious reason why GGG has gone out of their way to advertize to the world that there will be an alternative to getting ascendancies in poe 2 that does not involve the lab.

They would not do this if they felt Lab was doing its job properly.

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Turtledove wrote:

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Matt_AsA_Hatter wrote:

I feel like you hate lab, when you don't know the lab. ...

Your assumption is common but wrong. When people enjoy the trap gauntlet content it can sometimes be hard for them to understand why someone else doesn't like that content. I detest computer games that are made of trap gauntlet like game play. For example, Tomb Raider is not fun and a horrible game IMHO. I enjoy ARPG game play, of course. That is kill monster get loot game play. I don't play the lab content if I don't have to but I've played it enough that I too recognize many of the trap gauntlet layouts. It is not fun to me. Trap gauntlet game play is boring and irritating.

I don't think anyone would deny that, mate. The thing is though, you've been telling us about that for years now, but it's still a part of the game. Maybe not "ARPG" as a genre, but definitely a part of POE.

The good folks at GGG spent a ton of time creating this content and people have been running it for so long. Feedback has been listened to, some things about it changed over time, but ultimately it's still here. If they found it necessary to remove this content, it would have already happened long ago.

Sorry to be so blunt, but you're a bit of a broken record on this subject.

Similar questions asked are likely to get similar answers. That is reasonably like a broken record. As a gentle reminder, you do have the option to read or not read what you want on this forum. Although I'm sure you find it hard to resist reading my posts. Maybe I should apologize for every once in a while sprinkling in such a great gem of a post that it makes it so hard to not read these threads. :-)

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

The good folks at GGG spent a ton of time creating this content and people have been running it for so long. Feedback has been listened to, some things about it changed over time, but ultimately it's still here. If they found it necessary to remove this content, it would have already happened long ago.

This is kind of obviously disproved by chris wilson's own words in the latest baeclast.

Others have pointed that out to me. To be honest, I haven't had the time yet to watch that myself, so you can read my post with my ignorance in mind. :)

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Turtledove wrote:

Similar questions asked are likely to get similar answers. That is reasonably like a broken record. As a gentle reminder, you do have the option to read or not read what you want on this forum. Although I'm sure you find it hard to resist reading my posts. Maybe I should apologize for every once in a while sprinkling in such a great gem of a post that it makes it so hard to not read these threads. :-)

I meant no disrespect, mate. We're just different people. The lab is a wall, it's not meant to be fun, it's meant to be challenging. It might be fun to some people, but let's be real here, it's trying to kill you, every inch of the way and that's justified by the amount of power waiting for you at the end. (along with armor scraps for days)

I see that wall and find my way around it, over it, through it or whatever it takes. I will get to the other side one way or another. I don't stop after and ponder on how much fun I had doing it. I set my goal, I get the reward I wanted and that's what matters, move on. While in your case, I picture you sitting in front of that wall, shouting at it about how much you hate it and telling it to go away so you can get your reward.

It's not about right or wrong, maybe that wall is a piece of crap, maybe it should never have been there in the first place, maybe it should have been a different colour or form. Maybe you're totally right and maybe I'm the idiot stupidly bashing my face into that wall for "teh rwardz lulz", but the fact of the matter is that it's there right now and you've been repeating how much you hate it to an almost obsessive level for years.

I've told you before, if they get rid of the lab, it wouldn't make me hot or cold, I couldn't care less. My only hope is that whatever they put in place isn't another freebie powercreep, because I'm tired of games giving everything on a silver platter. Instant gratification is very unhealthy.

Bottom line is that I don't have to like the lab to want it to stay. I guess my biggest gripe with your arguments against the lab is that I'm trying to preserve what is left of the challenge in an industry full of casualised content, instant gratification and marketing ploys. It represents much more than just a box of traps to me.

I tried really hard to not sound disgustingly elitist saying that last bit, but I'm only 10/40 so I think I'm alright. :P

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VolcanoElixir wrote:

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They have already stated that it will bde removed in poe 2

I think they said they wanted to do that but IIRC they didn't seem sure if they actually will, and also weren't sure if they were going to replace the Labyrinth in PoE1 as well.

They never said that.

They said they were adding an alternative story path to endgame and this new path will unlock 17 new ascendancy classes. Those new ones might be unlocked without having to complete the lab, but then there will likely be a different (possibly worse) mechanic serving the labs purpose.

This means you are still locked into completing the lab as is, if you wanted to use the currently existing ascendancy classes.
Its only the new classes, that might or might not be unlocked differently - and we know next to nothing about the new classes.

I might have read too much into their comment and meant removed in the context of PoE2, not removed from the game as a whole. That's what I remember hearing, that they might introduce a new way to get ascendancies and the way I interpreted it, you can use unlocked PoE1 classes with it as well but you will need to unlock all of the PoE2 ascendancies to use them in PoE1.

And we do know about some of the new classes, mainly some of the Ranger and Marauder ones. Ranger has a wild shape Ascendancy (gives an exclusive cat transformation for movement speed over the typical wolf that is a skill gem) and has an Ascendancy that lets her use bows as melee weapons. Marauder is getting an Ancestor-based minion Ascendancy IIRC, and a party support class.

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Turtledove wrote:

Similar questions asked are likely to get similar answers. That is reasonably like a broken record. As a gentle reminder, you do have the option to read or not read what you want on this forum. Although I'm sure you find it hard to resist reading my posts. Maybe I should apologize for every once in a while sprinkling in such a great gem of a post that it makes it so hard to not read these threads. :-)

I meant no disrespect, mate. We're just different people. The lab is a wall, it's not meant to be fun, it's meant to be challenging. It might be fun to some people, but let's be real here, it's trying to kill you, every inch of the way and that's justified by the amount of power waiting for you at the end. (along with armor scraps for days)

I see that wall and find my way around it, over it, through it or whatever it takes. I will get to the other side one way or another. I don't stop after and ponder on how much fun I had doing it. I set my goal, I get the reward I wanted and that's what matters, move on. While in your case, I picture you sitting in front of that wall, shouting at it about how much you hate it and telling it to go away so you can get your reward.

It's not about right or wrong, maybe that wall is a piece of crap, maybe it should never have been there in the first place, maybe it should have been a different colour or form. Maybe you're totally right and maybe I'm the idiot stupidly bashing my face into that wall for "teh rwardz lulz", but the fact of the matter is that it's there right now and you've been repeating how much you hate it to an almost obsessive level for years.

I've told you before, if they get rid of the lab, it wouldn't make me hot or cold, I couldn't care less. My only hope is that whatever they put in place isn't another freebie powercreep, because I'm tired of games giving everything on a silver platter. Instant gratification is very unhealthy.

Bottom line is that I don't have to like the lab to want it to stay. I guess my biggest gripe with your arguments against the lab is that I'm trying to preserve what is left of the challenge in an industry full of casualised content, instant gratification and marketing ploys. It represents much more than just a box of traps to me.

I tried really hard to not sound disgustingly elitist saying that last bit, but I'm only 10/40 so I think I'm alright. :P

No offense was taken at all. I was hoping to cause a chuckle with my post. Well, I mean besides my own chuckle.

The game should be fun and challenging. The trap gauntlets are really neither to me, just boring and irritating. Don't get me wrong, when lab was first introduced it was challenging and irritating but not anymore, now just boring and irritating.

Yesterday I ran the endgame lab on my character. This character is faster than most characters to begin with. The first dark shrine early in the lab, I picked up the movement speed enhancement. I thought great this should make it extra easy and it did. To my surprise it also made the trap gauntlets more irritating to me than usual. It just seemed to exaggerate the lack of visibility in the lab and it was too easy to overrun the spot I wanted to go to. I didn't really ever come close to dying but it was just extra irritating.

P.S. Regarding your first sentence and your last sentence, I sincerely appreciate you and your posts here on the forum. You're a great guy and your posts are always sincere, kind and thoughtful.

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BlackPulsar wrote:

did not call him a boot, i asked if he is one cause of the profile name and bashing the game on multiple posts.
i'm not gonna fight anything with anything,arguments don't ever end in forum threads.
don't know all the threads i found him in but this is one of them and check the first impressions thread,i made one post there cause i never have in 6 years and than i saw the one page complaint from this guy...
saw the careless profile name and lie caus he sais one year but started 2017 than saw him on other threads with his dislike for the game and than i asked, you some boot or something?... big deal
tho i am happy that me saying he came from blizzard is considered rude here :)))

I actually read his post in the First Impressions thread that you refer to. He is obviously a relatively new player. His characters also indicate a fairly inexperienced player. His account creation date in 2017 doesn't mean he's been playing for three years. You seem to be accusing him of dishonesty because he said he had only been playing for a year yet he has a 2017 account creation. From the evidence I see, I would be surprised if he has over a hundred hours of play time? That is in the noobie range isn't it?

Let's not forget that PoE is actually a very complicated game and that can be overwhelming to an inexperienced player. He is just trying to deal with that. If he disliked the game all that much he would have just dropped it and left. He seems to be struggling to get a better handle on it. At least that is my interpretation.

I agree his account name is a bit strange but I'm not really a pigeon and you're probably not really a pulsar either. :-)

pulsars emit light :) name is ironic :) but people who like astronomy might think i'm stupid for the name :) i give up on the above argument... you are right, i remeber my self being pissed as fk the first year i started playing poe. tho i do think alot of people that have nothing to do with the game go on forums and bash on it. mostly reddit

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Turtledove wrote:

No offense was taken at all. I was hoping to cause a chuckle with my post. Well, I mean besides my own chuckle.

Alright, good. Just making sure. :)
It's a bit hard to read into the meaning of posts here nowadays, that's probably more of a me thing than anything else though.

Yeah, movement speed buffs in Lab are the worst. I also don't chug any quicksilvers in there when doing trap bits, because it just throws me off and gets me into more trouble than it keeps me out of.

Straight up regen or the new enduring cry are the way to go for lab, I find. Take 2 Kaom's Way rings with you (for any class really) and one of those cries and you'll never run out of heals and the charges will mitigate some damage to boot.