Exp Loss is freaking unbalanced

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PolarisOrbit wrote:

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Valmar wrote:

I only play hardcore, not default.

Then why do you have any opinion on the death penalty in default league?

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Faerie_Storm wrote:

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PolarisOrbit wrote:

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Valmar wrote:

I only play hardcore, not default.

Then why do you have any opinion on the death penalty in default league?

thank you for saying this.

The experience loss when you are over level 70 makes just not want to play after you die. I think the death penalty needs to be reworked. At the very least the amount of experience you lose I believe should be decreased.

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Undon3 wrote:

I bet that losing a high level char in HC makes you want to ragequit as well...

However...

The guys playing HC made a choice to play with that penalty. They like it this way, it's how they enjoy games.

GREAT! I am happy for them.

Now, let's make a league where the death penalty would be reasonable and fair to all levels in a difficulty. Let's give the players that find that enjoying a choice too.

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CarebearKiller wrote:

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Undon3 wrote:

I bet that losing a high level char in HC makes you want to ragequit as well...

However...

The guys playing HC made a choice to play with that penalty. They like it this way, it's how they enjoy games.

GREAT! I am happy for them.

Now, let's make a league where the death penalty would be reasonable and fair to all levels in a difficulty. Let's give the players that find that enjoying a choice too.

You are correct, HC players made the choice to play HC, they get removed from their league when they die. You may not have chosen HC, but you chose to play Path of Exile... so its really the same thing right?

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Real_Wolf wrote:

People are still debating this?

If you die, go to a lower level, farm more, improve your items/passive setups, and return. There is nothing in the game that CAN'T be dealt with, but for reasons of longevity there are things that are very challenging.

And to enhance this message further, there are hundreds of people every minute not dying. The death penalty is there to make you feel like dying is a bad thing. If you have gotten to the point of the game where dying loses you a LOT of xp, it means you SHOULD have realised by then you shouldn't be dying.

Diablo 2 had a death penalty. While sometimes it wasn't significant, other times you had no chance of getting your body back. Anyone solo with a barb could attest to 'if you die, forget your body, its gone too'. Sometimes you could get it back, but when another death is another 2 days gone, its not worth the risk.

Maybe learn from the fact that everyone disagrees with reducing the EXP loss, as it is NOT overdone. It is a very fair amount that is less relevant at lower levels (When you aren't as geared/passively setup), and yet gets more relevant the higher you climb the ladder, to the point where dying is a thing you should really be avoiding

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Faerie_Storm wrote:

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Real_Wolf wrote:

People are still debating this?

If you die, go to a lower level, farm more, improve your items/passive setups, and return. There is nothing in the game that CAN'T be dealt with, but for reasons of longevity there are things that are very challenging.

And to enhance this message further, there are hundreds of people every minute not dying. The death penalty is there to make you feel like dying is a bad thing. If you have gotten to the point of the game where dying loses you a LOT of xp, it means you SHOULD have realised by then you shouldn't be dying.

Diablo 2 had a death penalty. While sometimes it wasn't significant, other times you had no chance of getting your body back. Anyone solo with a barb could attest to 'if you die, forget your body, its gone too'. Sometimes you could get it back, but when another death is another 2 days gone, its not worth the risk.

Maybe learn from the fact that everyone disagrees with reducing the EXP loss, as it is NOT overdone. It is a very fair amount that is less relevant at lower levels (When you aren't as geared/passively setup), and yet gets more relevant the higher you climb the ladder, to the point where dying is a thing you should really be avoiding

Go to a lower level? Oh well any default content when you are level 75 only yeilds you maybe 1% exp. Maps? oh random mobs get a bad monster roll? forget it.

The exp loss is overdone

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Real_Wolf wrote:

Maybe learn from the fact that everyone disagrees with reducing the EXP loss, as it is NOT overdone.

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Undon3 wrote:

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Real_Wolf wrote:

Maybe learn from the fact that everyone disagrees with reducing the EXP loss, as it is NOT overdone.

You're wrong... I agree with (smartly) reducing the penalty. Read the topic, I'm not alone. Your world where everybody thinks just like you is fictional.

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Real_Wolf wrote:

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Undon3 wrote:

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Real_Wolf wrote:

Maybe learn from the fact that everyone disagrees with reducing the EXP loss, as it is NOT overdone.

You're wrong... I agree with (smartly) reducing the penalty. Read the topic, I'm not alone. Your world where everybody thinks just like you is fictional.

There are people on both sides of the fence, but the topic is just constantly downgraded in worth reading by the people being adamant that the XP loss is ridiculous.

The thing I have yet to see is just WHAT benefit this gives beyond the less XP lost, means less time re-farming for that lost XP.

How would changing this improve the game.

I may have missed this, be aware, because of the many stupid posts saying remove it, the bad arguments, and the ton of posts, but from what I have read there has not been a significant argument towards reducing it which has any bsis of improving the game beyond just less time farming if you were to die.