Wolcen overtook POE as the new number 1 arpg game on Steam (127k concurrent players at the moment)

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DiabloImmoral wrote:

I don't see how it's going to make it. It's all been said by now but every system in the entire game is in an early alpha state and the devs are panicking about the wrong things. They don't appear to have the talent to do anything with their game. Seems like a cash grab where they're fishing for a buyout from Tencent.

Then again, people are so desperate for good games in the genre that they fed the company millions of dollars so maybe they can float the company for 5 years until they can finally turn it into a real game. I doubt it though. PoE2 coming in late 2021, Diablo 4 in mid 2022. The game has to be best in class at that point to survive.

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Aynix wrote:

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jtggm1985 wrote:

PoE is STILL full of game-breaking bugs. And yes, poe has let players dupe items, and have infinite currency if you knew how to exploit them before they were patched. Desync used to make poe completely unplayable for me back in the day. Flicker strike used to warp you all over the map and also cause crashes.

Dude, its 2020. You think that Wolcen wouldnt have desync if it came out in 2010 like PoE? Yeah, you can dream.
Comparing launch of a game from 2010 and launch of a game from 2020 is just ridiculous.

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The_Scourge wrote:

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Raycheetah wrote:

I never saw anything like this garbage in PoE Alpha:

https://youtu.be/CBooApGn3zs

...Or Beta, or in any release, let alone full. =9[.]9=

Awesome. Now post a 45 minute rant from a streamer about PoE Alpha's stability and balance.

Just how badly do you want to win this silly argument? Willing to break Alpha NDA to do it? Lose your account? Mine's already gone, so you might tread carefully here. All I've said is stuff people already know: alphas are buggy and alpha testers are tasked with hunting those bugs. They are also typically buggier than what deploys, although to what degree depends on a number of issues. Either way, ball's in your court (preferably you just let it go). And please don't link another long-ass video about one guy's experiences, no matter how internet-famous he might be. Too many people are still playing for his stance to be decisive or objective.

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The_Scourge wrote:

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Raycheetah wrote:

I never saw anything like this garbage in PoE Alpha:

https://youtu.be/CBooApGn3zs

...Or Beta, or in any release, let alone full. =9[.]9=

Awesome. Now post a 45 minute rant from a streamer about PoE Alpha's stability and balance.

Just how badly do you want to win this silly argument? Willing to break Alpha NDA to do it? Lose your account? Mine's already gone, so you might tread carefully here. All I've said is stuff people already know: alphas are buggy and alpha testers are tasked with hunting those bugs. They are also typically buggier than what deploys, although to what degree depends on a number of issues. Either way, ball's in your court (preferably you just let it go). And please don't link another long-ass video about one guy's experiences, no matter how internet-famous he might be. Too many people are still playing for his stance to be decisive or objective.

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The_Scourge wrote:

Ya'll know where to find me. Happy to engage there. Make it so. :)

Ray: your argument methodology is as weak as ever. You made a claim: that PoE was never as buggy in its alpha as Wolcen in release. You failed to back that claim up by providing proof that PoE alpha was never as buggy as Wolcen; instead, all you did was present how buggy Wolcen is. This is like saying A was never as good/bad as B and then only harping on about how good/bad B is. It's half an argument, at best. This is not sufficient evidence to back up your claim. And you know you can't provide proof of it for aforementioned reasons i.e. NDA. Ergo, it was an untenable claim to make in the first place, or as someone else put it, bullshit.

At MOST you could claim that you personally have never seen PoE Alpha that buggy, in which case your argument becomes legitimate, if toothless given it then enters the realm of personal experience, i.e. it's anecdotal. Your word regarding what you experienced in PoE alpha against mine and my experiences in Alpha. There's no objectivity there, no commonality, no dialogue...so it's pointless.

You may sit down now.