Wolcen overtook POE as the new number 1 arpg game on Steam (127k concurrent players at the moment)

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Imaginaerum wrote:

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The game was in development hell for years. It's very likely that they ran out of money, and investors told them to release what they had and jump the price.

No excuses for the messy launch, but no one is riding off anywhere as a multimillionaire

It's a kickstarter game, I don't think they had investors. no backing doesn't count as investing

They did apparently get some game grant from Tencent at some point. The last 2 years they have had 40 people and I don't see how they could afford that from just the kickstarter funds especially when a lot of those funds would of been gone after the previous 2 years.

I backed the game on kickstarter and its decent right now but it has a ton of bugs and balance issues. Half the passive tree, 16 new abilities with 16 runes, and 8 new runes for the other 24 abilities were all rush developed in the last 2 months. Plus Act 2-3, the new endgame, apocalyptic forms, and all the above mentioned stuff was never tested in early access.

Also future content is going to be free. There will be Act 4-5, housing and pets for sure. The plan is to have a cosmetic only shop, which honestly isn't bad as I'm sure they aren't going to be charging PoE level prices and the base items already look really good.

Hi adam, I totally agree with you, every league is a half cooked league with lots of bugs everywhere!

Im thinking of quitting!

I've been playing Wolcen (or i should say trying to play wolcen) since its release. I like to play all Arpg's. Wolcen has good fundementals built in along with about 10 billions bugs including ones that wont let you access online play. If your not playing your missing some fun and some headaches all at once. Looking forward to new POE league.

thx for somany players help us testing 3 month beta for so many years, we will announce more league soon xD

What do you expect? the majority of the past 5 or so leagues have been dumpster fire trash. Then consider the atlas getting reworked to dog$hit and you have record low numbers of a game that would otherwise have increased in player base. Standard players have been bleeding away too as GGG introduces new items that make legacy items next to worthless..... they forgot those of us who made this game what it is in favor of new "customers" or players that thrive on shiny MTX's and needless reworks.

It might not be too late for GGG but they are dangerously close to bringing this game to beyond saving.

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D3izhistory wrote:

What do you expect? the majority of the past 5 or so leagues have been dumpster fire trash. Then consider the atlas getting reworked to dog$hit and you have record low numbers of a game that would otherwise have increased in player base. Standard players have been bleeding away too as GGG introduces new items that make legacy items next to worthless..... they forgot those of us who made this game what it is in favor of new "customers" or players that thrive on shiny MTX's and needless reworks.

It might not be too late for GGG but they are dangerously close to bringing this game to beyond saving.

I expect people to remember PoE's concurrent player record is 189k

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Imaginaerum wrote:

I expect people to remember PoE's concurrent player record is 189k

A 10 year old game that barely beats a week old game's player record is not reassuring at all.

playing not on steam.

PoE costs me nothing, as long I want to pay for more easier stashing. I pay because I could, but not that i am forced to.

You cannot play wolcen without steam and it costs money to play at all.
It was not online at first.
It looks nice but clunky animations.
It is at its beginning with all the bugs, dupes, exploits and bots to come.
I will not play it.

Wolcen released in 2020 and poe in like what 2010? Your comparing apples and orranges...

I played 40 hours and was in "endgame" in like 4 hours, the game feels uber trash for being in beta for so long. The repetivity in wolcen is 100 times worse as its in Poe, becuz theres literly NOTHING to do except rifts....see me using the word rift, as

Wolcen is 80% ripoff from diablo 3, and 15% from PoE and 5% own imagination....


- skill tree besides the moving part from the rings = 100% the same as its in Path of Exile....and I'm not even talking about the 0,5 / 50 shield dmg node typo....which is just amateur from the highest level.....

- skills - runes is 100% ripp off from diablo 3
- the end bosses of the acts are 100% ripoff from diablo 3, remember belial and act 2 boss wolcen, just LOLOLOLOL
- rifts/bounties = 100% ripoff diablo 3
- Itemization is 100% ripoff diablo 3 and currently in a terible state, I was just entering rifts and very anxious to get some purple items, then I saw quin69 only wear yellow (of which you apperantly find 500 in a single rift)
This made me feel ok, probebly you dont find purple items in higher level....so I have to pick up 500 yellow items (stopping at every group to check my inventory) throw them away just to check for upgrades...as rare can have 4 stats it must have all 4 stats right....so its super rare...
Even typing this exhausts me...

My conclusion is Wolcen's gameplay feels 100% diablo 3 alike gameplay with less movementspeed....which is really boring. As I played d3 for a long time, this game feels already boring after 40 hours....

Maybe Wolcen can become good in like 2-3 years...but for now, its in the same state as poe was at releease, total crap.

ps: I can show u some screenshots that will blow your mind away, bugs that occur in less that 40 hour of gamplay, being stucked after killing a boss in a rift to see some kind of chessboard layout. Means the devs never played the game itself for longer than 10 hours, they would have noticed this otherwise....I got stuck like 3-4 times having to exit the game....I fell off the game at the belial fight, and the act 1 boss fight...like wtf, are we testing the game and I have to pay in stead of getting paid?

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Imaginaerum wrote:

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D3izhistory wrote:

What do you expect? the majority of the past 5 or so leagues have been dumpster fire trash. Then consider the atlas getting reworked to dog$hit and you have record low numbers of a game that would otherwise have increased in player base. Standard players have been bleeding away too as GGG introduces new items that make legacy items next to worthless..... they forgot those of us who made this game what it is in favor of new "customers" or players that thrive on shiny MTX's and needless reworks.

It might not be too late for GGG but they are dangerously close to bringing this game to beyond saving.

I expect people to remember PoE's concurrent player record is 189k

Its a steam record which says absolutely NOTHING...

the league starts have like 80k viewers on twitch...and here you still think ppl play through steam lol......when ppl dont have to start steam to install the game at all...no1 will actually start steam and put the game on there....

I doubt more than 10% of the player base uses steam to start poe.