D3 OR PoE

D3 isnt Diablo anymore. This game is diablo and much much more. Customization, competent Developers and a nice community. I see so much potential in PoE and i will definately stick to it. My flatmate prepurchased d3 already and i wanted to join him but now... perhaps when its on first sale somewhere.

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alcovitch wrote:

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Silty wrote:

If you're not exactly rich, what does Diablo 3 have over PoE that makes it worth that much more? I'm much more likely to spend $10 on PoE than $60 on Diablo 3. Who would do the opposite and spend $60 on Diablo 3, but nothing on PoE?

several million people will do exactly that.

Production values to start with is worth the extra $50 bucks.

Not to mention it's the real deal. Everything else is a clone (either good or bad) of the series that set the standard: Diablo. Why wouldn't you want to pay the now standard $60 bucks for a retail AAA game of blizzards calibre?

I'm starting to believe a lot of the people on the negative side simply wanted Diablo 2 all over again in 3D instead of Diablo 3.

It's interesting because outside of voice overs and movies, I find POEs "production values" much higher than D3. This has always been a strength of Blizzard, I always called it their "polish" but POE has more polish than D3

And why would people NOT want to play a successor to D2 rather than the completely bland and shallow game that has become D2. D3 should have been a 3D D2 with more depth. If Blizzard had provided the game they promised 2 years ago at Blizzcon it would have been awesome, but since they all they have done is remove feature after feature and change the interface to work on a console.

It will be a very polarizing game. The WOW and acion crowd will like it, but those looking for a deeper game with choice and consequence will look elsewhere. I really think that D3 will be the worst of the four major ARPGs coming out. Grim Dawn, TL2, and POE will all be better.

POE is still missing half its content and it is a better game than D3.

hey guys OP here after playing the Beta i will say this WOW for a f2p this game truly is worth your time however in this short week i have made up my mind... Guild wars 2 baby it looks amazing. But until it comes out i will be rocking the beta again most likely. Now my impression on the beta

The game is DARK and that is like having sex for me. The last game that made me fell close to this darkness was diablo 2 this game IS D2.5 in the flesh. Worth your time and attention, they truly have made a gem

Some problems that i have encountered are the fact aiming is bad need work. good thing its in beta still. annd thats about it this is the only thing that needs work.

Anyways GGG you guys truly can show that few friends can help a lot of people make new friends on this great game. now ill head back to watching GW2 gameplay videos

oh and also i think ill give my beta account away let me know if you want it

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johnnysd wrote:

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alcovitch wrote:

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Silty wrote:

If you're not exactly rich, what does Diablo 3 have over PoE that makes it worth that much more? I'm much more likely to spend $10 on PoE than $60 on Diablo 3. Who would do the opposite and spend $60 on Diablo 3, but nothing on PoE?

several million people will do exactly that.

Production values to start with is worth the extra $50 bucks.

Not to mention it's the real deal. Everything else is a clone (either good or bad) of the series that set the standard: Diablo. Why wouldn't you want to pay the now standard $60 bucks for a retail AAA game of blizzards calibre?

I'm starting to believe a lot of the people on the negative side simply wanted Diablo 2 all over again in 3D instead of Diablo 3.

It's interesting because outside of voice overs and movies, I find POEs "production values" much higher than D3. This has always been a strength of Blizzard, I always called it their "polish" but POE has more polish than D3

And why would people NOT want to play a successor to D2 rather than the completely bland and shallow game that has become D2. D3 should have been a 3D D2 with more depth. If Blizzard had provided the game they promised 2 years ago at Blizzcon it would have been awesome, but since they all they have done is remove feature after feature and change the interface to work on a console.

It will be a very polarizing game. The WOW and acion crowd will like it, but those looking for a deeper game with choice and consequence will look elsewhere. I really think that D3 will be the worst of the four major ARPGs coming out. Grim Dawn, TL2, and POE will all be better.

POE is still missing half its content and it is a better game than D3.

It's easy to say that PoE's "production values are higher". Care to elaborate, because I don't see it. This game plays like it was created 10 years ago.

You know why all this bitching about blizzard removing "features"? because for the first time they have shown us first hand what their process is openly. Usually most of this stuff is hidden to the public till the game is more ready for prime time then they announce. So we don't see the features that were in place and cut later. It seems blizzard was wrong in one thing, to show the public their process, because it's clear people can't handle or understand it. Iteration people.

They have given pretty good reasons for most of their changes. Diablo 3 is no different to Diablo 2 then Diablo 2 was to Diablo 1. Each successive title greatly expanding on the previous in design.

I'll say it again, it's clear the people flocking to PoE as if it's the second coming are people who are stuck in the past, can't let go of nostalgia and simply cannot accept change.

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It's easy to say that PoE's "production values are higher". Care to elaborate, because I don't see it. This game plays like it was created 10 years ago.

You know why all this bitching about blizzard removing "features"? because for the first time they have shown us first hand what their process is openly. Usually most of this stuff is hidden to the public till the game is more ready for prime time then they announce. So we don't see the features that were in place and cut later. It seems blizzard was wrong in one thing, to show the public their process, because it's clear people can't handle or understand it. Iteration people.

They have given pretty good reasons for most of their changes. Diablo 3 is no different to Diablo 2 then Diablo 2 was to Diablo 1. Each successive title greatly expanding on the previous in design.

I'll say it again, it's clear the people flocking to PoE as if it's the second coming are people who are stuck in the past, can't let go of nostalgia and simply cannot accept change.



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Couple problems with you stance:

1. Diablo 3 does not expand on D2 it simplifies and sreamlines the game for a very casual audience.
2. Blizzard is very very good at spin, making it seem like their choices made a better game, when the reality it they made a game with less depth and made numerous changes late in the beta for consoles
3. People are flocking to POE because it is a deeper and richer game. Not for nostalgia Change is good if it improves on the previous design but in my view the changes to D3 have made it into a very different game than D1 and D2, one that emphasizes action over all other elements and removes all role playing elements and choice and consequence, two things that POE has in ABUNDANCE

Production values: I am not referring to the mechanics of the game nor all the ancillary stuff AAA titles have. If you view higher production values as things like voice acting and epic cinematics than clearly POE cannot compete.

However if you instead look at the quality and attention to detail that is in the actual game it is a different story. The level of detail in game, and all the little elements like fonts and artistic touches in the inventory screens and the like is flat out superior to D3, which is the first Blizzard title to not have that exception polish to everything. Couple that with a brilliant UI (probably the best in any ARPG -except for lack of right clicking for vendors and stash) and in my view MUCH better graphics than D3 and overall I say that the production values are higher than D3

In my opinion Blizzard made a completely different game in D3 than its predecessors and a much weaker one. Blizzard should have looked to Firaxis and how they approach a sequel, rather than giving the reins to WOW developers who do not even like D2 that much.

I went to 2 Blizzcons for the sole reason to play D3. The amazing thing is that it was a much better game 3 years ago than it is now after all their "iteration" I just think it is not a very good game.

POE on the other hand has really grabbed me and it is not even feature or content complete.

I've got D3 on pre-order but I dont have high hopes. POE on the other has been a pleasant suprise and Im thoroughly enjoying my play through. I like what GGG is doing and I will support them.

The game looks very promising, however missing the public weekend and no acces to beta, really makes me sad.

This johnnysd dude is clueless, no offense. Flat-out wrong on so many points. Don't care enough to type out a long, point-by-point rebuttal, though. Peace.

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Couple problems with you stance:

1. Diablo 3 does not expand on D2 it simplifies and sreamlines the game for a very casual audience.

This is ridiculous. Of course it expands on the previous title.

-Skill runes are a HUGE addition to the series.
-RMAH is quite an interesting addition.
-Random events and mini dungeons

And that's just to name a few.

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2. Blizzard is very very good at spin, making it seem like their choices made a better game, when the reality it they made a game with less depth and made numerous changes late in the beta for consoles

This is nothing but your opinion yet you toot this as fact. The truth is, Blizzard is honest about their changes and why they do what they do. It's not their fault some lack the intellect to follow them. I'm sure there's a [Tinfoil Hat] item just for you in D3.

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3. People are flocking to POE because it is a deeper and richer game. Not for nostalgia Change is good if it improves on the previous design but in my view the changes to D3 have made it into a very different game than D1 and D2, one that emphasizes action over all other elements and removes all role playing elements and choice and consequence, two things that POE has in ABUNDANCE

People aren't "flocking" to PoE. Lets not kid ourselves here. Diablo 3's playerbase will dwarf this game's even if this game is free. I believe what you wanted to say was that those who cannot let go of the past or accept change are flocking here to find comfort in warm nostalgia. Familiarity is comforting. Change is a scary thing to some.

Diablo is an ACTION RPG. Hence the A in ARPG. The thing you are doing 99% of the time in Diablo is killing stuff. They had better make that part of the game fun. Whats the problem with that?

I think what you meant to say was that PoE offers the ILLUSION of choice.

There is a TON of customization in Diablo 3. They simply removed the ability to break your character. Looking up guides on where to put your points and stats isn't choice, it's not fun either.

Choice comes from using 6 skills (as opposed to spamming 1 or 2 the whole game) and 3 passives that you choose to make a unique build. Along with that you have skill runes that further defines your character. Later you have gear to push the stats you like and +skill affixes to add weight to your build so you have to make a soft commitment. If your build sucks, you don't have to reroll, you can respec.

They also introduced a new buff at level 60 that increases your magic and gold find (and increaing boss item drop amounts) when you kill champions or elites. this buff is removed if you swap skills. Again a soft commitment to focusing on a build that works without locking you in forever.

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Production values: I am not referring to the mechanics of the game nor all the ancillary stuff AAA titles have. If you view higher production values as things like voice acting and epic cinematics than clearly POE cannot compete.

I was talking about the game overall as a whole.

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However if you instead look at the quality and attention to detail that is in the actual game it is a different story. The level of detail in game, and all the little elements like fonts and artistic touches in the inventory screens and the like is flat out superior to D3, which is the first Blizzard title to not have that exception polish to everything. Couple that with a brilliant UI (probably the best in any ARPG -except for lack of right clicking for vendors and stash) and in my view MUCH better graphics than D3 and overall I say that the production values are higher than D3

Lots of hot air here. There is no way you can say the PoE UI is superior to Diablo 3's. Not only is Diablo 3's intuitive and self explanatory but it has plenty of little details like stain glass panes and stone carved demons and angels to add the the gothic feel. PoE's is ugly and tacked on by comparison. They really need to have several passes on the UI and chat system as a whole in PoE.

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In my opinion Blizzard made a completely different game in D3 than its predecessors and a much weaker one. Blizzard should have looked to Firaxis and how they approach a sequel, rather than giving the reins to WOW developers who do not even like D2 that much.

Again this is baseless opinions being tooted as fact. Again. Diablo 3 is no different to Diablo 2 as Diablo 2 was to Diablo 1. Those of you who where expecting Blizzard to make Diablo 2.3D are delusional.

Whats with the WoW hate? Are you one of those that jumps on the 'it's cool to bash what's popular' bandwagon? The fact you even mention that shows you have no idea how things work at Blizzard. The people working on Diablo 3 is a COMPLETELY SEPARATE team.

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I went to 2 Blizzcons for the sole reason to play D3. The amazing thing is that it was a much better game 3 years ago than it is now after all their "iteration" I just think it is not a very good game.

You don't think it's a very good game without actually playing the game? At most you've played 13 levels of Act 1 of Normal difficulty.

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POE on the other hand has really grabbed me and it is not even feature or content complete.

Good for you I guess. Not much else to say on that.