"Deepest Item System In Any Action RPG" RLY?

So is OP trying to say that a game that has been released for 13 years, which was a sequel for a game that was released 17 years ago and that has undergone several patches since then has a 'better' or 'deeper' item system than this beta? I'm in awe.

Also loved the part where OP thoroughly described what 'deep' means to him.

Seriously though, don't even bring up D2 itemization. Customization was barely there. Every caster ran the same runes, and aimed for pretty much the same gear. Same is true for any other build. Set items were merely garbage that you picked up in case you wanted to roll a new char, nothing more than that.
The amount of affixes doesn't matter as long as only a little percentage are viable, which holds true for both games.

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KarraKurri wrote:

D2 horadric cube. And each other HNS GAMBLING. Because its nothing more like GAMBLING.
Something that in D2/Torchlight have one window of vendor interface in Poe is main game feature and time and currency sink that is REQUIRED to progress.

Also each other HsN game has REAL CUSTOMIZATION system, that is not random. And i as a player (not RNG) have real influence on my gear and what stats i will add etc.. In PoE i have not and there is no such system.

Agfain... were is this deep item system?

This is actually a very sound point IMO. I have often felt that POE lacks when it comes to crafting as well.

Take D2 for eg: where a person could craft "blood gear", and no matter what RNG put on the item, there would always be a given "Life Leech %" mod on the blood gloves. This , IMO, is a much better way to craft.

POE is a pure random crap shoot. It lets you down far to often in most cases. With no real direction on what rolls, its hard to go into crafting with any great expectations.

If your not creative enough to make a non cookie butter build then thats your problem not the games.

Edit: D2 didn't have half of the customization in this game.

heheh rage of fanboys that cant even defend their 'beloved' game without insulting and one liners like above... ah.... i love this kind of threads.

Go on. Show me how great item system in POE is.

And im glad that we workout that D2 is pure garbage. I need often reminders about thats since Jay Wilson quits D3. He was in charge of that - now apparently PoE forums/fans are.

So will we have at least one post with real arguments? Until now we have "d3 is worse" (which is true but changes nothing) and 'depth is not customization' (which is bullshit). Also we have mentra 'there is no customization in D2, everyne runs STR for items and VIT and with Enigma"... and that is complete bullshit.

And i remind that we talk abot 'deepest system in action arpgs' not about skills or passives even if they synergize (they synergize even in D3 tbh so not rly an achievent).


I really like to see a dev response about future of item system in POE tbh (if they plan adding some more systems instead generic gear+currency and if they plan to give more real customization that is designed like customization system primarly not like nothing more than currency sink).
Not more fanboys ranting - you are boring with your lack of knowledge and perspective.

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KarraKurri wrote:

heheh rage of fanboys that cant even defend their 'beloved' game without insulting and one liners like above... ah.... i love this kind of threads.

Go on. Show me how great item system in POE is.

And im glad that we workout that D2 is pure garbage. I need often reminders about thats since Jay Wilson quits D3. He was in charge of that - now apparently PoE forums/fans are.

So will we have at least one post with real arguments? Until now we have "d3 is worse" (which is true but changes nothing) and 'depth is not customization' (which is bullshit). Also we have mentra 'there is no customization in D2, everyne runs STR for items and VIT and with Enigma"... and that is complete bullshit.

And i remind that we talk abot 'deepest system in action arpgs' not about skills or passives even if they synergize (they synergize even in D3 tbh so not rly an achievent).


I really like to see a dev response about future of item system in POE tbh (if they plan adding some more systems instead generic gear+currency and if they plan to give more real customization that is designed like customization system primarly not like nothing more than currency sink).
Not more fanboys ranting - you are boring with your lack of knowledge and perspective.

Okay you feeling betrayed because of a trailer/advertisment. I feel sorry for you. But hey you learned a lesson for live! Next time you see an advertisment for a product you should be wary when they say "Everything will get clean!".

But hey! Lets be constructive here! I imply for you what´s "wrong" with the item system. First i think what you wanted to say is that items are missing more mechanics. Second, you find that "crafting" based on RNG is a "bad" thing.

1.) What would be your approach for adding more mechanics to the item system?
2.) How do you incorporate the desire and wish of the game makers to base their product on a specific mechanic versus your desire to simplify this specific mechanic?

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KarraKurri wrote:

heheh rage of fanboys that cant even defend their 'beloved' game without insulting and one liners like above... ah.... i love this kind of threads.

OP did you start playing this game solely because of that one line?

If yes: Now that you know it doesn't hold true according to you, you are free to stop playing.

If not: You are free to keep playing.

'Deepest' is a matter of opinion and honestly I don't see how your ranting is any better from what you call 'rage of fanboys'. And again, if you care so much about it not being the absolute deepest, you can stop playing and move on.

Also calling someone a fanboy doesn't invalidate their replies.

inb4 'lul fanboi'

1. Im not feeling betrayed. Rather amused.
2. I think until now i was constructive enough. I will no do here developers work. We are not even in feedback section. So nooone important will even read this. I like fanboys rage so we may just continue rantintg about how bad designed D2 was. We may even call Jay Wilson - he is an expert in this.

And i dont want simplify anything i think tah this game is too simple lol whern it comes to item system.
L2R and stay on topic and dont ask for ideas becuase ideas are in all games that i describe before (its fact stating i dont want to GGG just copy them - i state a fact).
What is iomportant that item system in PoE is no so great. Place for real feedback is somewhere else m8. And what is hilarius that they stated thay created 'deepest system" and they dont have even 50% of complexity that other hnS games atm in this department. Its just generic 'stack stats' without CtC and real customization. Uniques are better but only samall portion is designed well and most of them are garbage that noone wants even for alch orb.


@Up - plz lol - go somewhere else with your bullshit about play/not play. It completely irrelevant and you r post nothing more than offtopic and spam. Next will be reported. Its a thread anout PoE not about me. If you cant gve arguments oin discussion and if you cant refrain from personal writing just go away.

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'Deepest' is a matter of opinion

World Of Warcraft is deepest MMO ever created. It has deepest itemization system and economy and gamesystems complexity is deeper than EVE Online for example. Also deepest strategy game is obviously Red Alert.
Here you go.. take my 'opinion' and stfu.

'matter of opinion' lol

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KarraKurri wrote:

Spoiler

1. Im not feeling betrayed. Rather amused.
2. I think until now i was constructive enough. I will no do here developers work. We are not even in feedback section. So nooone important will even read this. I like fanboys rage so we may just continue rantintg about how bad designed D2 was. We may even call Jay Wilson - he is an expert in this.

And i dont want simplify anything i think tah this game is too simple lol whern it comes to item system.
L2R and stay on topic and dont ask for ideas becuase ideas are in all games that i describe before (its fact stating i dont want to GGG just copy them - i state a fact).
What is iomportant that item system in PoE is no so great. Place for real feedback is somewhere else m8. And what is hilarius that they stated thay created 'deepest system" and they dont have even 50% of complexity that other hnS games atm in this department. Its just generic 'stack stats' without CtC and real customization. Uniques are better but only samall portion is designed well and most of them are garbage that noone wants even for alch orb.


@Up - plz lol - go somewhere else with your bullshit about play/not play. It completely irrelevant and you r post nothing more than offtopic and spam. Next will be reported. Its a thread anout PoE not about me. If you cant gve arguments oin discussion and if you cant refrain from personal writing just go away.

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'Deepest' is a matter of opinion

World Of Warcraft is deepest MMO ever created. It has deepest itemization system and economy and gamesystems complexity is deeper than EVE Online for example. Also deepest strategy game is obviously Red Alert.
Here you go.. take my 'opinion' and stfu.

'matter of opinion' lol

So you don´t actually want to discuse the issues you brought up?

Stop being a little bitch.
You think you've been constructive enough? 'lul ur iten system is not d2's nor TQ's lulul'. My reply was as irrelevant as your ogirinal post, nobody cares if you think it's not the deepest. Nobody cares if it's not the deepest either. There's no argument, there's no discussion, this thread is you ranting about how you disagree with a sentence in a video nobody cares for. You can't compare 'deepness'. You can add as many useless affixes as you want, it won't make the system deeper. You can add as many useless sets as you want, it won't make it deeper either.