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Kulze wrote:
Oh well, the 'but only a minority does trade' notion.
Yes, we heard it, yes, it's true... now turn that brain on and think as to why this is happening.
Why do only a good 15% of people interact with the trade-mechanic?
Do 85% not see any possible way to upgrade?
Are they lacking currency?
Are they in SSF?
Are they turned off from interacting with such a broken mechanic?
The reasons why one doesn't interact with trading are plenty. Sure nobody will use your shit if it's a disaster!
Also with the same notion we can go ahead and say that Act 1 is the most important content in the game and needs to have at least 50% of dev-time focused on it. Why? Because only 50% made it further then that of the total player count!
You have to take stuff into perspective, something direly lacking sadly.
Also, why are some people here acting like the current trade-system is the pinnacle of trading? It's outdated, inconvenient, unintuitive and slow, a large amount of the system's downsides are detrimental and superior options are available with a bit of thought put into it.
This discussion itself is a literal disaster by now wherever you look, one side wanting to automate trade completely while the other side screams around not to change anything at all, both sides utterly ridiculous.
What about asynchronous trading?
What about a market-NPC?
What about time-limitations on receiving items?
What about a limitation on trade-amounts?
What about removing the API and integrating it fully into the game?
There are literally endless options and adjustments available but the talk only goes in circles by the same people stating the same stuff which is either not thought through (at part from GGG at part from the players) and nothing moves forward.
The fact is:
Trade has issues.
Those issues are existing and a concern.
They need to be taken care of.
Simple as that, the HOW is GGGs thing to do as the dev, people have shown the weakpoints, their job is to fix those and provide a whole system people can enjoy better then the current state.
most of the players do not trade because they dont care about getting end-gear or they play ssf.
this is why we cant have auto trade
this is why trade cant be easy
this is why drops cant be decreased and be harder
this is why ah will never be implemented.
its not about convenience. its about how majority of the players do play the game.
its simply not beneficial to change the trade mechanic just so less than 1% of the playerbase can be happy.
yes 1% or less wants ah to happen and they will talk about it.
this 1% includes let there be a npc to leave out our items and let auto trade be a thing crowd.
you are simply the minority in a minority group.
you can increase your voices but it will still be a rain drop in an heavy rain.
trade is just fine. api can be peeked a little and that will be it. no changes required there.
Trust your mind and strengthen your abilities!
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Posted byMrsDeath_#3960on Jul 16, 2019, 2:33:42 AM
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All this shit about "easy trade" from manifesto is just ridiculous. Why the fuck they (GGG) think the less shitty trade mechanism would mean getting item easier? Noone would give anything for free, you still have to grind the same amount of currency. What you have not to do is to PM 30 fuckers from top of the list and noone of them responds.
I spent 30 min to trade currency last time i did it, and after that i wish painful death to those who places offer, has lots of currency in stash and doesn't respond, i don't care if it's a bot that broke or price fixers, i want them burn slowly.
All these talks about fast trade ruining the game are lazy excuses supported by brainless whiteknight puppets.
PS. Probaly the same people who defends current trade system are people who uses price fixing, botting and other shit to get rich and/or feed RMT. No wonder they like current primitive system, where else they can manipulate the market for free.
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Posted byMaxGor31#4492on Jul 16, 2019, 2:58:54 AM
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Kulze wrote:
Oh well, the 'but only a minority does trade' notion.
Yes, we heard it, yes, it's true... now turn that brain on and think as to why this is happening.
Why do only a good 15% of people interact with the trade-mechanic?
Do 85% not see any possible way to upgrade?
Are they lacking currency?
Are they in SSF?
Are they turned off from interacting with such a broken mechanic?
The reasons why one doesn't interact with trading are plenty. Sure nobody will use your shit if it's a disaster!
You hit the nail on the head, Kulze!
Now... -puts on sunglasses in an already barely illuminated indoor room-
What if I told you, that what you just described, is by design?
Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more.
'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league.
Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave.
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Posted byXavathos#5130on Jul 16, 2019, 3:13:24 AM
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MrsDeath_ wrote:
most of the players do not trade because they dont care about getting end-gear or they play ssf.
this is why we cant have auto trade
this is why trade cant be easy
this is why drops cant be decreased and be harder
this is why ah will never be implemented.
its not about convenience. its about how majority of the players do play the game.
its simply not beneficial to change the trade mechanic just so less than 1% of the playerbase can be happy.
Most of the players do not trade because how shitty this system is!
Period.
You know, I have lost any interest to play POE because of this.
I do not want to spend even 5 minuts spamming massages.
This bull shit is called artificial difficlty.
Sure few years ago I would not mind spending some time like that. But time is changing and I am getting really bored doing it all the time.
Especialy, because of the bots problem.
I do not care about GGG's problems. If they want my money, if they want me to buy MTX, tabs, etc they have to convince me to stay in the game.
However, I do not want to stay still in my HO wispering dozens of people. I want to PLAY the game.
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Posted byApachy#6365on Jul 16, 2019, 3:29:46 AM
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Apachy wrote:
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MrsDeath_ wrote:
most of the players do not trade because they dont care about getting end-gear or they play ssf.
this is why we cant have auto trade
this is why trade cant be easy
this is why drops cant be decreased and be harder
this is why ah will never be implemented.
its not about convenience. its about how majority of the players do play the game.
its simply not beneficial to change the trade mechanic just so less than 1% of the playerbase can be happy.
Most of the players do not trade because how shitty this system is!
Period.
no they are simply unaware and most likely uninterested with trading.
it has nothing to do with system.
Trust your mind and strengthen your abilities!
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Posted byMrsDeath_#3960on Jul 16, 2019, 3:47:11 AM
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MaxGor31 wrote:
All this shit about "easy trade" from manifesto is just ridiculous. Why the fuck they (GGG) think the less shitty trade mechanism would mean getting item easier? Noone would give anything for free, you still have to grind the same amount of currency. What you have not to do is to PM 30 fuckers from top of the list and noone of them responds.
there is a difference between giving items free and items being worth 0 to nothing. creating auto trade would simply empty the current trade economy. and you are unable to see that. its understandable.
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MaxGor31 wrote:
I spent 30 min to trade currency last time i did it, and after that i wish painful death to those who places offer, has lots of currency in stash and doesn't respond, i don't care if it's a bot that broke or price fixers, i want them burn slowly.
that sounds like you have a problem with contacting right people.
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MaxGor31 wrote:
All these talks about fast trade ruining the game are lazy excuses supported by brainless whiteknight puppets.
possibly one of the dumbest generalization in the entire forum.
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MaxGor31 wrote:
PS. Probaly the same people who defends current trade system are people who uses price fixing, botting and other shit to get rich and/or feed RMT. No wonder they like current primitive system, where else they can manipulate the market for free.
the 2nd dumbest generalization in the entire forum.
gl with ur brain. u need to use it later on.
Trust your mind and strengthen your abilities!
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Posted byMrsDeath_#3960on Jul 16, 2019, 3:51:01 AM
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MrsDeath_ wrote:
that sounds like you have a problem with contacting right people.
"Right people" are probably you and a bunch of other rmt feeders right? Got it.
My brain works at satisfactory level for me to have a full-time job and hense not to have spare 30 min to PM broken bots.
Also it works at satisfactory level to see the raging issues with trading and absurdity of "easy trade will ruin the game OMG" point. It's the biggest lazyest bullshit that came out of game developer's throat.
BUT there're still white knights like you who get 40 challenges even in a league that you disliked and ranted about. I'm sure if all GGG manadgement shited in front of your nose you would still liked it and asked for more.
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Posted byMaxGor31#4492on Jul 16, 2019, 5:44:12 AM
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MaxGor31 wrote:
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MrsDeath_ wrote:
that sounds like you have a problem with contacting right people.
"Right people" are probably you and a bunch of other rmt feeders right? Got it.
again with the dumb generalization. i think i ll ignore your quotes from now on. you are pretty bad at this.
Trust your mind and strengthen your abilities!
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Posted byMrsDeath_#3960on Jul 16, 2019, 5:54:16 AM
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MrsDeath_ wrote:
there is a difference between giving items free and items being worth 0 to nothing. creating auto trade would simply empty the current trade economy. and you are unable to see that. its understandable.
Could you elaborate here, pls?
Personally, I also do not see the "cornerstone" difference.
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Posted byApachy#6365on Jul 16, 2019, 6:02:15 AM
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Apachy wrote:
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MrsDeath_ wrote:
there is a difference between giving items free and items being worth 0 to nothing. creating auto trade would simply empty the current trade economy. and you are unable to see that. its understandable.
Could you elaborate here, pls?
Personally, I also do not see the "cornerstone" difference.
There are mid priced items on the market that makes people profit. These are not cheap because the sales are not so frequent in these. When you introduce auto trade that makes the items sell faster it causes to drop prices in exchange. To be able to match with fast trades sellers has to make up by dropping prices. Its pretty common in trades. When you give easy access to a product the prices tend to drop because of this easy access.
Human element in current trade system provides a price wall to items thus making them somewhat heavy in price.
Trust your mind and strengthen your abilities! Last edited by MrsDeath_#3960 on Jul 16, 2019, 6:18:46 AM
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Posted byMrsDeath_#3960on Jul 16, 2019, 6:17:19 AM
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