CI and stun

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maryn wrote:

es lacks alot of hp qualities to be considered "life" that quote is dumb

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thepmrc wrote:

Then don't use CI. Simple as that. Let people who make it work effectively use it to its full potential and go make a life build if it is sooo much better. Seriously, there is a reason that CI dominated CB completely while still being subject to the stun/freeze mechanics. I understand that you are new and probably didn't actually experience anything in CB, but that is the fact of the situation. CI was grossly OP, even with the drawbacks that you feel make it broken. They over-nerfed the ES values in OB and have since made good adjustments to bring back a good amount of power to CI. They do not need to completely remove all downside from the damn ability.

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Moosifer wrote:

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maryn wrote:

es lacks alot of hp qualities to be considered "life" that quote is dumb

It's a seamless transition from one guy who refuses to get it to another. It's amazing.

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thepmrc wrote:

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Moosifer wrote:

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maryn wrote:

es lacks alot of hp qualities to be considered "life" that quote is dumb

It's a seamless transition from one guy who refuses to get it to another. It's amazing.

Lost cause.

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sirianstar wrote:

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thepmrc wrote:

Then don't use CI. Simple as that. Let people who make it work effectively use it to its full potential and go make a life build if it is sooo much better. Seriously, there is a reason that CI dominated CB completely while still being subject to the stun/freeze mechanics. I understand that you are new and probably didn't actually experience anything in CB, but that is the fact of the situation. CI was grossly OP, even with the drawbacks that you feel make it broken. They over-nerfed the ES values in OB and have since made good adjustments to bring back a good amount of power to CI. They do not need to completely remove all downside from the damn ability.

don't try to read between lines ;) you could fail again at that.
I'm a CI CB Player. so i do know how OP was at that time, and it was so ridiculously OP
that not taking it would be dumb.

(hint hint: i talked about the values to which was changed CI %MORE ES ;) that is the part that could make you think that i was in CB)

for my build taking CI was in CB the best thing to gain survivability.

Now CI doesn't give particular advantages (apart chaos immunity) to just survivability,
and it's just a keystone to get some builds to work.

THere is a reason that CI dominated CB. it was 50% MORE ES coupled with high ES armor values.

Now it's 20% MORE.

I just waited for some CI buffs before respeccing. CI was totally broken with 0% more ES.

Now it's a little less broken with 20% MORE.

I still do think that CI is not worth for survivability, but just for some very limited combo.

You would let me state my opinion on forum? or is it forbidden?

Is it forbidden for me to wait GGG to make patches to fix CI?
Is it wrong that i expect them to tune CI to balance it better?

My 2 cents in other topics was 20% MORE and ailments on ES.

they applied 20% MORE, but the ailments are still on HP.

the only other fix i can see is adding more uniques and skills-supports that require
"full life" status.

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thepmrc wrote:

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sirianstar wrote:

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thepmrc wrote:

Then don't use CI. Simple as that. Let people who make it work effectively use it to its full potential and go make a life build if it is sooo much better. Seriously, there is a reason that CI dominated CB completely while still being subject to the stun/freeze mechanics. I understand that you are new and probably didn't actually experience anything in CB, but that is the fact of the situation. CI was grossly OP, even with the drawbacks that you feel make it broken. They over-nerfed the ES values in OB and have since made good adjustments to bring back a good amount of power to CI. They do not need to completely remove all downside from the damn ability.

don't try to read between lines ;) you could fail again at that.
I'm a CI CB Player. so i do know how OP was at that time, and it was so ridiculously OP
that not taking it would be dumb.

(hint hint: i talked about the values to which was changed CI %MORE ES ;) that is the part that could make you think that i was in CB)

for my build taking CI was in CB the best thing to gain survivability.

Now CI doesn't give particular advantages (apart chaos immunity) to just survivability,
and it's just a keystone to get some builds to work.

THere is a reason that CI dominated CB. it was 50% MORE ES coupled with high ES armor values.

Now it's 20% MORE.

I just waited for some CI buffs before respeccing. CI was totally broken with 0% more ES.

Now it's a little less broken with 20% MORE.

I still do think that CI is not worth for survivability, but just for some very limited combo.

You would let me state my opinion on forum? or is it forbidden?

Is it forbidden for me to wait GGG to make patches to fix CI?
Is it wrong that i expect them to tune CI to balance it better?

My 2 cents in other topics was 20% MORE and ailments on ES.

they applied 20% MORE, but the ailments are still on HP.

the only other fix i can see is adding more uniques and skills-supports that require
"full life" status.

Ailments on ES would essentially be immunity to them since you can get up to 10k ES pretty easy again. THAT is broken.

I assume you have a second account, or was december your CB experience?

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sirianstar wrote:

I do see you are a dual spork totem like me. If you think that CI is fine with that, you
are totally wrong. I was totally wrong with that too, i learned only through the experience.
CI on Dual totem is only to make cheap gear builds.

We can't life leech, we can't use Bloodrage, we can't make a good use of Zealoth Oath,
we don't have full life requiring skills.

total waste using CI.

Still i can run it. Obviously if it was unusable i wouldn't have reached lvl 81 (stopped getting levels since 3 weeks when i started farming for currency)

I still do see that life + armor + resistances would have been a much better choice.

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thepmrc wrote:

Ailments on ES would essentially be immunity to them since you can get up to 10k ES pretty easy again. THAT is broken.

I assume you have a second account, or was december your CB experience?

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maryn wrote:

if u read earlier posts u would know nobody says it should work 1:1 like with life, just add multiplier <1 to ES so its comparable

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maryn wrote:

if u read earlier posts u would know nobody says it should work 1:1 like with life, just add multiplier <1 to ES so its comparable

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sirianstar wrote:

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maryn wrote:

if u read earlier posts u would know nobody says it should work 1:1 like with life, just add multiplier <1 to ES so its comparable

Please don't be so arrogant to ask them to read posts. They got their ideas,
reading with attention other people posts would seriously hurt their faith in their opinions.

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sirianstar wrote:

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10k ES easy. Ok now i got you :D. If 10k ES is EASY now i understand many of your assumptions.