...price fixing involves REAL prices for REAL transactions.
you're complaining about FAKE prices and NOT transacting.
price fixing also NEEDS collusion - ie: you need your COMPETITORS involved in it.
fake listings... are generally done solo or with a few ALLIES.
the complaints here are factually NOT about price fixing.
again, the irony is overwhelming.
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Posted byrobmafia#7456on Mar 31, 2019, 3:17:16 PM
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...price fixing involves REAL prices for REAL transactions.
you're complaining about FAKE prices and NOT transacting.
No one would fake the prices under the current system if it wouldn't be an effective way to make a quick currency. So yeah, there are transactions happening.
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price fixing also NEEDS collusion - ie: you need your COMPETITORS involved in it.
No, price fixing actually means whatever it takes to fix the price. Swing it into one direction or another by controlling supply/demand.
So it happens that on the real market it means that several competitors that are controlling the majority of the market have to collude and form some kind of cartel or get some exclusive deals to fix the price, since there is no other way to do it.
Here - it means something else, entirely. As I've said and tried to explain already by stating the rather obvious differences in my previous post.
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the complaints here are factually NOT about price fixing.
again, the irony is overwhelming.
Yes, it is. I rest my case. There is nothing more to add.
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Posted bykentrylix#3006on Mar 31, 2019, 3:32:59 PM
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robmafia wrote:
...price fixing involves REAL prices for REAL transactions.
you're complaining about FAKE prices and NOT transacting.
No one would fake the prices under the current system if it wouldn't be an effective way to make a quick currency. So yeah, there are transactions happening.
........you just complained about how they AREN'T trading for the listed price.
this is... YET AGAIN, the OPPOSITE.
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price fixing also NEEDS collusion - ie: you need your COMPETITORS involved in it.
No, price fixing actually means whatever it takes to fix the price.
omg.
i literally posted definitions. price fixing LITERALLY requires collusion.
your complaints are contradictory.
plus, you never even complained about selling at a fixed price - only NOT selling at fake prices.
you can't even provide examples of the fixed prices.
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Posted byrobmafia#7456on Mar 31, 2019, 3:39:51 PM
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https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/dealings-competitors/price-fixing
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Price fixing is an agreement (written, verbal, or inferred from conduct) among competitors that raises, lowers, or stabilizes prices or competitive terms.
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Price fixing is an agreement between participants on the same side in a market to buy or sell a product, service, or commodity only at a fixed price, or maintain the market conditions such that the price is maintained at a given level by controlling supply and demand.
The intent of price fixing may be to push the price of a product as high as possible, generally leading to profits for all sellers but may also have the goal to fix, peg, discount, or stabilize prices. The defining characteristic of price fixing is any agreement regarding price, whether expressed or implied.
Price fixing requires a conspiracy between sellers or buyers. The purpose is to coordinate pricing for mutual benefit of the traders. For example, manufacturers and retailers may conspire to sell at a common "retail" price; set a common minimum sales price, where sellers agree not to discount the sales price below the agreed-to minimum price; buy the product from a supplier at a specified maximum price; adhere to a price book or list price; engage in cooperative price advertising; standardize financial credit terms offered to purchasers; use uniform trade-in allowances; limit discounts; discontinue a free service or fix the price of one component of an overall service; adhere uniformly to previously-announced prices and terms of sale; establish uniform costs and markups; impose mandatory surcharges; purposefully reduce output or sales in order to charge higher prices; or purposefully share or pool markets, territories, or customers.
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https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/pricefixing.asp
What is Price Fixing
Price fixing is setting the price of a product or service, rather than allowing it to be determined naturally through free-market forces. Although, antitrust legislation makes it illegal for businesses to fix their prices under specific circumstances, there is no legal protection against government price fixing. In an ill-fated attempt to end the Great Depression, for example, Franklin Roosevelt forced businesses to fix prices in the 1930s. However, this action may have actually prolonged the downturn.
BREAKING DOWN Price Fixing
A business fixes price by colluding with one or more of its competitors to buy or sell goods and services at an agreed price. These companies usually fix prices at a horizontal or a vertical price. Horizontal price fixing occurs when companies decide to fix prices or price levels for a good or service at a premium or a discount.
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/price-fixing
Price fixing is an agreement among businesses to sell the same product or service at the same price.
How It Works
Price fixing involves the cooperation among two or more business competitors to set or stabilize a price for a product or service. It may involve setting a minimum price, setting a maximum discount on price, agreeing to buy supplies at an "agreed upon" maximum price, agreeing to a standard set of charges or surcharges for a product or service, or even agreeing to a set rate of production of a product. In any case, it involves an agreement that disrupts open market price competition.
etc and etc.
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Posted byrobmafia#7456on Mar 31, 2019, 3:40:25 PM
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Perhaps the term to use should have been something like "market manipulation". "Price Fixing" it seems is a defined term for certain purposes. But I use price fixing instead of market manipulation all the time in casual speech and I expect that what we have here is not a failure to communicate, but rather it is just at least one person having fun.
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If you ignore RobMafia's arguments (which are non-sensical to say the least) an Auction House would work fine. How you may ask? You will not need to deal with fake items listed and afk people.
You want an item? Buyout option, get the item right away.
You want to sell an item? Add a buyout price .
It would be same as right now except you ignore the bs afk players/douches on DND .
The only ones losing would be people fake listing items and scamming newbies. I suspect Mafia is one of the latter, which would explain why he is so much against it.
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Posted byandreicde#0793on Mar 31, 2019, 4:40:24 PM
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If you ignore RobMafia's arguments (which are non-sensical to say the least) an Auction House would work fine. How you may ask? You will not need to deal with fake items listed and afk people.
You want an item? Buyout option, get the item right away.
You want to sell an item? Add a buyout price .
It would be same as right now except you ignore the bs afk players/douches on DND .
The only ones losing would be people fake listing items and scamming newbies. I suspect Mafia is one of the latter, which would explain why he is so much against it.
amazing.
citation after citation supporting my fact-based argument. i guess that's "non-sensical."
and first i'm accused of botting, now i'm accused of scamming? poe 2019: if you know what words mean, you're a botter and a scammer!
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Posted byrobmafia#7456on Mar 31, 2019, 4:44:47 PM
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I agree, "price manipulation" would be more correct term.
But players are already calling it "price fixing"...
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Posted byMortalKombat3#6961on Mar 31, 2019, 4:50:05 PM
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kentrylix wrote:
I've thought that it's pretty obvious that developers are forcing shitty trade system to sell more stash tabs. This has to be their main source of income in this F2P game.
Then they could add "AH stash tabs" for sale and earn lots of $$$.
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There is literally no other reason that makes any sense at all. As long as you've got control over servers and software - you can do anything.
I think, they're just too lazy to bother with AH, that's it.
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Posted byMortalKombat3#6961on Mar 31, 2019, 4:53:31 PM
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MortalKombat3 wrote:
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kentrylix wrote:
I've thought that it's pretty obvious that developers are forcing shitty trade system to sell more stash tabs. This has to be their main source of income in this F2P game.
Then they could add "AH stash tabs" for sale and earn lots of $$$.
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There is literally no other reason that makes any sense at all. As long as you've got control over servers and software - you can do anything.
I think, they're just too lazy to bother with AH, that's it.
This. Heck, they cannot even be bothered to create a good league, let alone, an ah.
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Posted byandreicde#0793on Mar 31, 2019, 5:13:03 PM
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