Will there be a new atlas every league now?

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_Saranghaeyo_ wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

GGG adding content that encourages people to want more stash space is reasonable. This move is different and just a bad move on GGG's part.

If GGG has to increase their revenue, I think a better approach would be charge a subscription fee. Perhaps give a free amount of play time per month. Or charge for things upfront rather than punishing people for previously buying map tabs from them.

Sub fee would kill their free-to-play numbers tbh, mainly in the demographic of "I would play more if there wasn't a fee" type of player.

That said, that first sentence... did we just agree on something? Lmao

If GGG decided to start charging a subscription, I would hope that they changed their free-to-play rhetoric as well?

PoE has a large enough player base at this point that I don't know that GGG needs to be very concerned with keeping players that never provide them any income? They need to be more concerned with not alienating people that are buying map tabs from them, for example.

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Benchmark04 wrote:

maybe theres a simple solution for standard?:
whenever a map series becomes legacy the corresponding map stash tabs of all players becomes 'remove only' and they will get a new empty stash tab

So, the solution is, every 3-4 months, I lose 1/3 of my Map pool towards downing shaper / running high level content?

What part of that is part of the stated intention of Standard?

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_Saranghaeyo_ wrote:

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atrofear wrote:

Still no actual response? Just hoping that the standard community will shut their mouths with enough time having passed? Disgusting treatment of supporters of this game. People here aren't asking for an instant fix, we are asking for a serious response that actually addresses the issue. Are you going to fix this issue or not? And if so, when will this fix be implemented? If not, will you add a disclaimer to the store on the map tab that players have to buy another map tab every 3 months if you're playing standard?

Not sure if you've noticed but Standard is one of the most heavily discriminated against parties in this game.

Which is crazy. Standard (at least from my admittedly anecdotal experience) tends to be longer tenured players, who have spent a considerable amount on (at least) stash tabs.

While I'm not saying that they should ignore leagues in favor of Standard, I do believe that anything they push to a league should be done with full consideration of the impacts it will have on standard, and a solution for how to handle it in Standard should be applied at the same time that they are deploying new toys for the league players.

I don't begrudge the idea that they are going to change the Atlas every league for the League players. I get it. The high end League players are completing the atlas every couple of months, and keeping it stale for a year + at a time leaves the end game feeling out of step with the idea of a league: Changes. New ways to play. New content.

Ok, well, changing the atlas works. But not having a feasible solution for standard players when you deploy this change, is not acceptable.

We know that they have the ability to change all items of a given ID in the database. They've done it before.

Back right before launch, or right after launch, they gutted Energy Shield Chests, and it was applied across all ES items, including those that had already been rolled.

If they are able to do that, they are able to build something that will handle a simple change over of the maps from series to series for players in Standard, without forcing them to spend HOURS trying to fix the stash, that GGG broke.

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shoju wrote:

Spoiler

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_Saranghaeyo_ wrote:

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atrofear wrote:

Still no actual response? Just hoping that the standard community will shut their mouths with enough time having passed? Disgusting treatment of supporters of this game. People here aren't asking for an instant fix, we are asking for a serious response that actually addresses the issue. Are you going to fix this issue or not? And if so, when will this fix be implemented? If not, will you add a disclaimer to the store on the map tab that players have to buy another map tab every 3 months if you're playing standard?

Not sure if you've noticed but Standard is one of the most heavily discriminated against parties in this game.

Which is crazy. Standard (at least from my admittedly anecdotal experience) tends to be longer tenured players, who have spent a considerable amount on (at least) stash tabs.

While I'm not saying that they should ignore leagues in favor of Standard, I do believe that anything they push to a league should be done with full consideration of the impacts it will have on standard, and a solution for how to handle it in Standard should be applied at the same time that they are deploying new toys for the league players.

I don't begrudge the idea that they are going to change the Atlas every league for the League players. I get it. The high end League players are completing the atlas every couple of months, and keeping it stale for a year + at a time leaves the end game feeling out of step with the idea of a league: Changes. New ways to play. New content.

Ok, well, changing the atlas works. But not having a feasible solution for standard players when you deploy this change, is not acceptable.

We know that they have the ability to change all items of a given ID in the database. They've done it before.

Back right before launch, or right after launch, they gutted Energy Shield Chests, and it was applied across all ES items, including those that had already been rolled.

If they are able to do that, they are able to build something that will handle a simple change over of the maps from series to series for players in Standard, without forcing them to spend HOURS trying to fix the stash, that GGG broke.

They also have the ability to keep all the maps on the Atlas post the shuffle locked to their previous status, as the Unique maps on the latest Atlas change shown, so the best solution concerning the Standard Atlas is a "free reset", "no but, and no question asked"...

The map tab simply needs an option for a 1 -> 1 conversion in mass, via a single button press, for at least the map tab holding the latest version of maps.

They should at least consider offering 1 new empty map tab and converting at least the one holding the latest version of maps into a remove only map tab as a temporary solution if the previous one is "too difficult or too technological challenging"...

The main problem of Atlas shuffling every 3 months for Standard players, is experiencing content day 1 post a league launch. That is why the persistence of the Atlas progress status needs to be addressed just as the map tab fiasco needs it too...

And there are plenty of ways for them to "git gud & up to snuff", admit their "faults" and address it properly before the next league hits. If they don't, I'll keep not supporting them with my own $$$ - they actually missed at least 500$ from me, not to mention the lobby I did against friends "supporting" them if they aren't 100% invested AND satisfied in the "current" PoE state.

So let the financial support (or lack of throwing $$$ towards their asinine decisions) speak, as I already got to enjoy some Divinity Original Sin 2 to scratch my RPG "itch", and I urge everyone to think long and hard every time they have some TencentGGG coins at hand.

PS: I would never require reimbursement for my map tabs, but I would be more than content with having the opportunity to keep them full with either a legacy or two of versions of maps that can be converted with only 1 button press, to current ones whenever I feel like it, and 1 always prepared to store the current version... I already feel like if I'll ever even consider crafting 2 currency tabs full of complete stacks would simply incite me to "craft" for a change...

Personally liking std, non-competive simili-stable environement. Map gestion is actually a real mess...

My solution :

If You have bought at least one Map stash you automatically get one new tab in std wich could contain the new maps type at each new league/change atlas cession.

No more no less. You have bought the right to store maps that you actually drop. Any other way out that is and will be a cash drain "a la" big cash cow milkers we all know. Period.

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__Z__ wrote:

Personally liking std, non-competive simili-stable environement. Map gestion is actually a real mess...

My solution :

If You have bought at least one Map stash you automatically get one new tab in std wich could contain the new maps type at each new league/change atlas cession.

No more no less. You have bought the right to store maps that you actually drop. Any other way out that is and will be a cash drain "a la" big cash cow milkers we all know. Period.

they will never give free tabs

the folks that thought ggg was not putting tabs on sale because of this bullshit stunt, can finally let go of the notion that they give a shit.

the tabs are on sale today including the map tab without a single word about the clusterfuck they created.

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sendantes wrote:

the folks that thought ggg was not putting tabs on sale because of this bullshit stunt, can finally let go of the notion that they give a shit.

the tabs are on sale today including the map tab without a single word about the clusterfuck they created.

I'd contemplated buying the new unique's tab when the sale came but it'll probably be redundant next league.

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RitualMurder wrote:

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__Z__ wrote:

Personally liking std, non-competive simili-stable environement. Map gestion is actually a real mess...

My solution :

If You have bought at least one Map stash you automatically get one new tab in std wich could contain the new maps type at each new league/change atlas cession.

No more no less. You have bought the right to store maps that you actually drop. Any other way out that is and will be a cash drain "a la" big cash cow milkers we all know. Period.

they will never give free tabs

It's not FREE we have already paid to store the map. When you begin league you have a map stash tab wich is able to store the map droping in the actual game you are playing in, in std you can't. That is not admissible.

It'll not be a free tabs, it'll be the map tabs we have paid in order to store the map we loot.

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Kellog wrote:

I'd contemplated buying the new unique's tab when the sale came but it'll probably be redundant next league.

Same here.

Also sorry, but "technical limitations" excuse about keeping AoW progress/converting maps is total bullshit.
Please GGG do not treat your customers like morons.