Path of Exile, Gameplay Criticism

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

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ReinEuthanasia wrote:

Then why not a portal for each player in the party?

we already have this implemented in zana quests.

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ReinEuthanasia wrote:

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

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ReinEuthanasia wrote:

Then why not a portal for each player in the party?

we already have this implemented in zana quests.

Should be the norm I think. Whatever you die in you should lose. Current penalty does nothing but annoy.

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SisterBlister wrote:

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There will never be consensus on such a topic. But he made some really good points regarding in-game penalties, especially in the video linked in the description of the criticism video.
Those points are worth discussing and it does not help anyone (least of all GGG) if people keep trying to stifle that discussion. Maybe a good suggestion does crop up.

My take on the current DP:
It neatly fulfills its main purpose: Make people add at least some defense into their build. It also does this in a very simple to implement and easy to understand way.
So far, so good.
But it has negative side-effects, too. And they should be worked on. It is simply incredibly annoying to lose (for average players) hours worth of grinding to a single bug, a ridiculous spike of bad luck (too many damage multipliers rolling unlucky at once) an internet lag or a sneeze at the wrong time, or even just a moment of failing attention after hours of mindlessly boring grind. I have been playing since closed beta and literally the only times I cut a gaming session short and stop for the day is a death I consider unfair. And there are many opportunities for fatal damage bursts with all the damage multipliers added since this game started. Add to that the ever increasing gfx vomit covering subtle clues and occasional bugs and the game engine is simply not programmed well enough to be allowed to be "unforgiving".

Plus, the current DP fails at its most important task: It does not teach you anything positive. The only thing one can learn from it is to
- avoid situations where too many damage multipliers could stack up (i.e. play non-challenging content).
- study up on the currently OP defense mechanic (or just follow a build guide) which allows you to ignore any game mechanics. What is the point of them then?
- stop playing
It specifically does not teach you how you could have survived that situation.

For sure, there must be mechanisms in the game which prevent you from progressing if you're not building your character well or have two left hands full of thumbs. There should also be mechanics which prevent zerging bosses. But the current DP fulfils the first part only in obvious cases and the second not at all. And it is annoying enough to most likely be the cause of many a person leaving this game.

So if anyone tries to start a conversation on how to change the DP into a mechanism which fulfills its purposes and has better side effects, do not stop the conversation! Rather try to think of ways that you believe it could be improved.

An ideal DP would
- make players balance defense vs offense in their character. The current DP does this.
- allow beating hard content only once they've learned the "basics" needed at this stage in the game. The DP does not do this.
- make you feel good for beating hard content which you failed at previously. The DP sort of does this.
It specifically should not be a punishment for punishment's sake, it should be a road block until you improve. And it certainly should not discourage you from running content which actually challenges you.

The current DP would also be fine if some other parameters of the game were different. Like less gfx vomit, slower fights in general so one can react, no instant logout so damage spikes can be brought down to manageable levels, less reliance on a permanently fantastic internet connection, etc... But while none of these parameters change, the current DP is actually pretty lousy.

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鬼殺し wrote:

Point being, no. They do not design the game with alt-f4/instant log-out at the front of their minds, but they'd be idiots not to consider it a possibility. So IF alt-f4ing to avoid their stupid death penalty is within your personal scope of acceptable reaction to this, by all means, do it I say. I can't and won't, but I'm an idiot and that's why I'm the fucking Ruler of Wraeclast and you're not.