What nugiyen is doing right now is amazing

Weapons have range. Two-handed swords, spears, polearms, and lances were made long for a reason. Calling a two-handed sword a ranged weapon is stupid.

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Ruefl2x wrote:

some guys here seem to confuse ranged/melee/physical/AoE in all the ways possible.

i think everyone agrees that frost nova can be considered a ranged attack.

now what if the range of cleave (which is considered melee here) exceeds the range of my frost nova? doesn't that mean frost nova is melee now? (note: not talking bout physical)

Melee means to hit things with your weapon, that becomes a bit blurred in a fantasy setting but if a fireball's range was less than that of a spear the fireball still wouldn't be melee because you aren't hitting the enemy with a sword, spear, etc. That seems to be where the confusion is from, some people are applying the general meanings of ranged and melee, others have slightly adapted it to this game, thus meaning people are arguing about different things.

Having short, medium and long ranges would be better descriptors than melee and ranged imo.

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Pinchyskree wrote:

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Charan wrote:

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Pinchyskree wrote:

Not impressive at all.

Using a skill with that range and trying to pass it off as melee to sound hard.

He played so much his body shakes, sacrificing health for a game, sad.

Cleave is still using the weapon's natural range. It is melee. You seem to have some sour graps going on there, but so be it.

I'll be impressed, as will others. You don't have to be. :)

As for his personal health, that's not really our concern either. We're not his mother. It's also not relevant to the topic at hand, which is that melee is viable at end-game if done right.

Melee is viable, if you can hit enemies at range using shift to stop before getting into melee like he was.

I don't worry for his health, I'm just saying what he is sacrificing for this mediocre attempt to boost ego boost by claiming melee use, because it's false.

He slept for 10 hours inbetween. That's more than most people generally sleep.
Seriously, don't talk about stuff you don't know anything about.

Also, sure, he has more range than just going 'real' melee, but he still takes 200% of the risk that ranged classes take.

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VolcanoElixir wrote:

I wonder how many skills people have to remove from their builds before playing Melee at all is considered lame and not a good indication of viability.

off the top of my head here are true melee abilities:

heavystrike
doublestrike
dualstrike
glacialhammer
infernalblow
viperstrike


wow dude! that's 6 abilities to play with right there

5 of them are PURE singletarget, and singletarget in general is not viable, not just for melee.
Infernal blow is 'ok', it could be good if it gets a slight buff.

(TLDR: only 1 of those could be used, but it's just slightly UP atm)

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Charan wrote:

positive thread

hahahahaha this guy

Quoting anyone out of context is rude, but quoting *me* out of context and removing all the usual expansions and explanations is just stupid.

You have a wonderful history of probations and mutes, debix. Please don't make the mistake of thinking you'd be a martyr if you were put in your place. As it stands the only reason you're not banned is so that we know who you are. You are a bother, an annoyance and a blight on this forum, and on the game.

Thin ice doesn't begin to describe your situation.

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This thread overall has filled my inbox with complaints from both sides.

I am increasingly, day to day, embarrassed and ashamed to say I'm a moderator of this community.

Any uncivil posts from here in will be a probation, no questions asked.

Yes, Taum, I admit that I am indeed confused. Thinking about it on a more basic level, I think you also have the right idea. Have weapon in hand (apart from bows), swings weapon, hit mob for damage, = melee. Disregard my previous post then, it is indeed a large AOE arc, extends the weapon's range to what is visible on screen, perhaps the wind from the weapon swing hurts the mobs for damage.

This thread is just pure gold.

For some unknown reason i actually thought that the POE community was a mature and intelligent one,but this thread alone proves this wrong.

Like seriously no matter what you do,what accomplishment you achieve there will always be someone who instantly comnpletly discredits what you have done either out of jealousy or out of pure spite:

"Hurr he used alt+f4,what a puss"
"Cleave is not a melee skill"
"He has big glasses and a trendy haircut so he must be a hipster so lets judge him by looks alone durrr"

What bunch of stupid people,go back to your basements trolls.

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bhavv wrote:

Leap slam / ground slam / lightning strike / cleave are not melee.

I have no idea who he is, but he isn't reaching the top of the ladder entirely through solo melee no matter how much he tries to fool you.

Everyone, look at this.

This is your typical PoE player. For simplicity's sake, we'll call it an idiot. The idiot believes that melee is the use of only close-range single target skills. These idiots are the ones making all the "melee is underpowered" threads and generally bitching about nothing. These are the people who repeatedly do it wrong and blame everyone else but themselves for it.

Now that we know who they are. Point and laugh.

So many jealous people in this thread, it's hilarious. I pity you.

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Anyway, Cleave is clearly a grey area skill when augmented with increased AE. Hell, even without, it has addition range compared to other 'true' melee-range attacks (AoE or not, that's not relevant — it's the range that matters here).

But does it really matter? If Cleave (or, say, Sweep) didn't have additional range and couldn't be augmented to have additional range, would it suddenly become realistic to be able to slaughter hordes of enemies by 'simply' swinging your melee weapon around like a madman? Get real. As someone else said before, PoE isn't a combat simulator. If that's what you 'pure melee' zealots are advocating, then you should be playing a different game.

Using Cleave means getting fairly up-close and personal with foes. It's much more risky than your cookie-cutter LA off-screen clearing builds, and still it rapes harder. That also makes it more exciting to play (yes, opinion).

I guess pike-men and halberdiers weren't melee because their weapons gave them a range advantage, these people are cracking me up.