tell me the difference. there isnt. mystery boxes are aimed at children.
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Posted byachillesdub#4011on Jan 2, 2019, 5:49:48 PM
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This is a thread issuing a direct challenge to the ethics of GGG's business model, with a number of quality posts (and an even higher number of shitposts, but what else is new in Feedback and Suggestions?). To GGG's credit, I've never seen them lock threads like this, and for very good reason.
(For comparison's sake, I've seen Blizzard lock and even stealth-delete specific posts in threads critical of their business model. I dropped a negative review on Amazon and stopped posting in their forums completely upon observing that.)
I think GGG knows most of us like the game and we're only talking about making it better. I wouldn't bother voicing my opinion if I didn't care about the game. I'm sure it's the same for you and many others. So I'm glad they don't lock it.
Shame on Blizzard.
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Posted byjack_aubrey#0655on Jan 2, 2019, 6:00:38 PM
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I agree there are minors here. You have to be 21 to get into casinos because you have some self control by then but can gamble online at any age? WTH?
There should be a law in meantime GGG should have some scruples and not take advantage of gambling addiction. Especially from minors
Look I'm pretty libertarian except when it comes to people not fully developed like minors. Like I think prostitution should be legal but not childhood prostitution. So maybe they need an age verify system.
That I can agree with.
Prostitution is a bit of a different subject though, sensitive for other reasons.
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
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Posted byFruz#6137on Jan 2, 2019, 7:14:15 PM
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Sickness wrote:
So abolish the age restriction of gambling over all, because there are exceptions?
Maybe you simply dont believe in age restrictions at all?
what is humanity? Intellect? There are many intelligences. Social intelligence is a different int. First you have to look back into what made us great in the first place and turns out we were really good at collection. Like the ants developed their colonies the bee's the hive we humans developed tribes kind of.
We grew but needless to say we took on defects of our natural beings i.e selfishness & ridicule and there is no good sign to be well adjusted to a very sick society. yes society is sick we all are everything weird about anything is weird because you're brain that is half a second ahead of every move you make is making your reality thinks it can't describe it, that is the very definition of weird. Addicts are weird in a sense? True, try to understand them, they are just like you.
A world without restrictions is better than a world with seclusion, deprivity, injustices & opression in my view. Imagine a child getting into heroin and with the help and support from all of his friends they have persauded him back to the humanity again,
licence to gamble.
But the phrasing "when they see it" just invokes blind eyes. Better if we just agree to help one another and not be afraid to take action when we can, who knows how many times you've had your good thought so wouldn't it be nice if you activated that questline for once and what does your instincts say? Doesn't it wanna live in harmony with all beings, communicate with them and joy? A child is a more man than most grown ups and currently the best study of mankind but what we really need is collaboration with alien species to exchange notes with all we have right now is humans perspective about humanity.
and for that reson i'm gonna say we're alone in the universe and the smartest there is so why are we so stupid and letting gambling happen, there is no excuses then. Take care of one another maybe we're always destroying the universe by putting ourselves in stagnated sub optimal states over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over except that one time you let go and appologized to that homeless man you insulted.
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Posted bySickness#1007on Jan 2, 2019, 7:55:15 PM
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achillesdub wrote:
This game is not for kids. Seriously, stop putting responsibility of parents to gaming companies. I don't want to be limited in my options because some 12y old might steal his dad's CC and play PoE in secret. Not to mention if you have acces to a CC you can do ANYTHING on the internet.
We gonna stop pizza companies from selling pizzas online because a child might order some because hes addicted to fast food? Seriously go away.
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Posted byMiská#0911on Jan 2, 2019, 7:55:41 PM
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achillesdub wrote:
This game is not for kids. Seriously, stop putting responsibility of parents to gaming companies. I don't want to be limited in my options because some 12y old might steal his dad's CC and play PoE in secret. Not to mention if you have acces to a CC you can do ANYTHING on the internet.
We gonna stop pizza companies from selling pizzas online because a child might order some because hes addicted to fast food? Seriously go away.
moot point is moot. bye.
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Posted byachillesdub#4011on Jan 2, 2019, 9:44:30 PM
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As long as there is discussion, there is room for growth. I see this as a good thing. Maybe GGG is reading this , and maybe they are saying "well x makes a good point, perhaps we should examine this closer" Or "Well what y said is pretty much what we believe, so lets examine the counter arguments to see if there is any value to them"
It is discussion and debate that is the least painful way to enact change. Is change always the best thing? Of course not, but we can mitigate the instances where it is bad through constructive discussion.
I'm a libertarian. On my moral scale liberty is the highest ideal. I am most always going to argue on the side of liberty. That doesn't make me an anarchist. If something is so damaging that it required the restriction of liberty to maintain safety or stability, then I would most certainly agree to give up some of my liberty. This is always a last resort for me.
For me GGG is exercising their freedom of choice on how they monetize their product. As long as they are not breaking the law (society's moral code) I see no issue with it. In fact , because liberty is so important in the hierarchy of my own moral scale I am actually obligated morally to defend them, even if I don't agree with their practice.
That being said, "asking" GGG to remove loot boxes is not the same as using force, so I will always be in favor of these threads, and these discussions. Your liberty is more important to me than any argument I could have against any of your opinions.
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Posted byXtorma#4606on Jan 2, 2019, 10:10:02 PM
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I'm actually supporting this suggestion.
GGG have a ton of goodwill among the community. There are people buying Supporter Packs purely to support the developer for example. Some people *just* want to support GGG, while others are willing to splash out on specific cosmetics.
The problem is the loot box mechanic itself: it utterly depends on the principal that whenever someone buys and opens a loot box, there's only a small chance the box will contain whatever exclusive item the player really wanted, so the player bought something he/she probably didn't want and won't use, and will have to buy another box to hopefully eventually get the thing they really want.
And therein lies the rub: lootboxes are profitable because most of the time players are tricked into buying a thing they did not want.
To make this ethical, all that needs to be done is have all the exclusive loot box rewards available as direct purchaseable MTX. That way, if someone really wanted (for example) the hat, he could just buy the hat, rather than take his chances on any number of lootboxes none of which are guaranteed to contain the hat.
That doesn't mean lootboxes need to be removed entirely; there's nothing wrong in players being able to take a gamble and buy something random if they so choose, just as long as that isn't the only option and players aren't forced to gamble to obtain specific things.
Heck, the lootbox could be repurposed and used as an extra incentive to buy any other MTX on the store: your purchases could, over time, accumulate bonus points which upon reaching a threshold could award a loot box, which could contain a single MTX chosen at random from all the MTX on the store you do not already own. Having a little bit of extra motivation to buy the things you want isn't a bad thing, encouraging people to spend money on things they potentially don't is a bad thing.
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Posted byPobatti#2021on Jan 3, 2019, 12:56:14 AM
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I'm actually supporting this suggestion.
GGG have a ton of goodwill among the community. There are people buying Supporter Packs purely to support the developer for example. Some people *just* want to support GGG, while others are willing to splash out on specific cosmetics.
The problem is the loot box mechanic itself: it utterly depends on the principal that whenever someone buys and opens a loot box, there's only a small chance the box will contain whatever exclusive item the player really wanted, so the player bought something he/she probably didn't want and won't use, and will have to buy another box to hopefully eventually get the thing they really want.
And therein lies the rub: lootboxes are profitable because most of the time players are tricked into buying a thing they did not want.
To make this ethical, all that needs to be done is have all the exclusive loot box rewards available as direct purchaseable MTX. That way, if someone really wanted (for example) the hat, he could just buy the hat, rather than take his chances on any number of lootboxes none of which are guaranteed to contain the hat.
That doesn't mean lootboxes need to be removed entirely; there's nothing wrong in players being able to take a gamble and buy something random if they so choose, just as long as that isn't the only option and players aren't forced to gamble to obtain specific things.
Heck, the lootbox could be repurposed and used as an extra incentive to buy any other MTX on the store: your purchases could, over time, accumulate bonus points which upon reaching a threshold could award a loot box, which could contain a single MTX chosen at random from all the MTX on the store you do not already own. Having a little bit of extra motivation to buy the things you want isn't a bad thing, encouraging people to spend money on things they potentially don't is a bad thing.
Yeah, I'd honestly like to know how many boxes would sell if they released them together with their contents on the store at full price, at the same time. If really you want fair, that's it.
They won't though, simply because it's bad business. You'd be giving people massive discounts through boxes while at the same time giving them option to finish their sets immediately without having to dive deep into the rabbit hole of sunk cost.
From a business point of view, you do either one or the other.
Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more.
'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league.
Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave.
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Posted byXavathos#5130on Jan 3, 2019, 1:53:48 AM
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The argument is not about GGG's need to make money and that's a totally different subject. Tabs are needed because of the way that the game is designed. The simplified selling is just slight advantage of premium tabs and it doesn't even come close to the severe impact of having limited space.
You need space. Period.
You need space for your divcards until you can complete the set.
You need space for your essences and even more if you want to upgrade them.
You need space for your maps and even more if you want upgrade them.
You need space for your prophecies.
You need space for your prophecy items.
etc etc..
Now consider all the other vending recipes on top of that. Especially the chaos recipe. Should we also mention league specific stuff like leaguestones and resonators?
This is space that you will need in order to use the most basic features of the game before even mentioning the storage of your currency and phat loot.
So in the end, the whole lootsystem is designed to bloat loot as much as possible in order to occupy space for more profit.
You say that more stashspace make the game "a little bit easier"
I say that extra stash is mandatory by design. By choosing not to get more stash you will be limited in interacting with the most basic fundamentals of the game (p2w).
1. You have Space (6 Stash Tabs) and that is enough to keep everything you need for your main character.
2. I dont think the limitation is as big as you are stating here. Like I said before, there are people who reach level 100 without using their stash tabs alot. They reach that point of the game after several days after the season has started. They dont have ultra expensive equipment, they dont sell stuff and they still use all the mechanics the game is giving them. It is only a limitation for those, who NEED the space in order to progress. Pro-players certainly dont need it.
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Posted byAceNightfire#0980on Jan 3, 2019, 6:53:18 AM
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