Don't nerf Syndicate encounters

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Zerber wrote:

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SaiyanZ wrote:

8.3k HP one-shot by Vagan in a T14 with only one damage mod (added lightning) after the adjustments GGG made.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/a7w28k/hc_monster_auras_betrayal_is_fun/

Betrayal syndicate members will remain in the Research Lab for me. The reward for fighting these guys is not going to worth a random RIP at lvl95+ unless you care more about economy instead of leveling.

The guy in the video has no clue what he does he didnt kill the adds that have auras and got killed by the buffed syndicate members. This is 100% his fault for not wanting to learn or understanding game mechanics. He didnt even try to kill the totems inside first which makes engaging completly pointless because the syndicate will constantly port in and out of the fort.

Open the door of the syndicate which should even bevor the patch take you a second max, throw a frostbomb or something similar inside to kill all totems and than position yourself a bit further away to shot all the members that rush out.

Don't know if this is sarcasm.

The rare mob is only visible for a second and then half a second later Vagan does something and he's one-shot. If he walked in to kill the totems he'd have probably died the same way. By creating some distance initially and avoiding most mobs he was playing safer.

Even if he did everything wrong, you don't expect to get one-shotted with full 8.3k hp and all defensive flasks up in a one damage mod map. You also can kill the syndicate members just fine with the totems up. They only teleport back in to heal if you move too far away.

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SaiyanZ wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

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that one seem a bit retarded, he likely got crit by Vagan with a more phys dmg aura, we don't know Vagan's rank neither the items, and if the player has shock immunity for Vinktar though, so can't fully judge.

These were his defenses (and 8.3k hp). More than most would have I'd say and he is a HC player who made it to T14 so more defensive mindset than SC players. All 5 flasks were up too so he would have been shock immune.

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extra lightning map with purity of lightning/vinktar up, basalt + double phys taken as ele helmet + 2 end charges (39% phys mit) up. originally I thought it was nullifier, then I saw that he decided to bring in a sub phys aura buddy at the last minute :(
hits harder than shaper slam and less visible btw t14 map content btw

Dont RUN IN and kill the totems, do it from afar. Melee is absolute crap right now balance wise outside of molten strike.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Cant believe that people can still be this stupid. If the game has no skill as you say and is a simple grind why are you complaining that its hard? How can a game where the only challenge be grinding be........oh wait, I got it. I got why the scrubs here are so mad.

You want instant gratification, thats it. You are a product of this generation of gamers which cant handle being challenged and want to be the boss of everything they play. Get rewards all the time so to speak, like in a facebook/mobile game. The fact that there might be something challenging to them while they play is unacceptable.

And to further support that they are complete scrubs, they have this perception in their minds that their way of instant gratification is how the game is supposed to be played. While ridiculing everyone else who has different ideas.

In a real PvP game they wouldn't survive and would get laughed by the rest but since this is PvE they get to have their say unfortunately.

Ah the lens through which a PvP player sees the world. You, sir, are hilarious.

I am legit still chuckling from the term "scrublord" in another thread. That was through the lens of Hardcore condescension, but it is pretty close to the PvP one. I am surprised you didn't throw out "carebear".

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Zerber wrote:

The guy in the video has no clue what he does he didnt kill the adds that have auras and got killed by the buffed syndicate members. This is 100% his fault for not wanting to learn or understanding game mechanics. He didnt even try to kill the totems inside first which makes engaging completly pointless because the syndicate will constantly port in and out of the fort.

Open the door of the syndicate which should even bevor the patch take you a second max, throw a frostbomb or something similar inside to kill all totems and than position yourself a bit further away to shot all the members that rush out.

I guess you could say that it's in fault ... but this was a ridiculously hard hit nonetheless, and shit can happen real fast (and melee is supposed to be a thing too), so .... I would not really advocate for the dmg there, idk.

That said, it means that they seemingly didn't overdo it with the nerf, looking forward to playing it :]
Hopefully I wont get as unlucky as the player, I would not go in like that anyway I think.

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Volband wrote:

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boring already, actually, 1/10.
I haven't really read what you wrote though, I doubt anybody would tbh.

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Fruz wrote:

boring already, actually, 1/10.
I haven't really read what you wrote though, I doubt anybody would tbh.

You titulate something you haven't even read boring, then even go as far as to make a personal remark based off of this.

Damn, you just managed to sum up how you behave online about betrayal. :D

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Fruz wrote:

(and melee is supposed to be a thing too)

That melee basicaly doesnt exist outsided of molten strike is a completly different issue but its directly tied to the one shotiness of the game in general. Syndicate just made it more obvious but usually you are either alive or dead in PoE and nothing in between because if you survived one smash the next will usually take you out anyway. This leads to a game where surviving one smash is the highest priority and every extra defense above it is basicaly meaningless. It also means that you constantly need to be topped of between smashes and melee by design have it harder to archive that.

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SaiyanZ wrote:

8.3k HP one-shot by Vagan in a T14 with only one damage mod (added lightning) after the adjustments GGG made.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/a7w28k/hc_monster_auras_betrayal_is_fun/

Betrayal syndicate members will remain in the Research Lab for me. The reward for fighting these guys is not going to worth a random RIP at lvl95+ unless you care more about economy instead of leveling.

why are you even playing the league if you're going to ignore the league mechanic?



also, lolz @ people STILL complaining about the syndicate AFTER it's been nerfed into oblivion.



re: melee - i played melee last league (consecrated path). i did just fine. was pretty much immortal. i suspect it's a near-perfect build vs syndicate. most of the complaints about melee seem to be from those who think a dps of millions is needed/don't make defenses good enough.

82% block should make one nearly immortal. if not, their problems are intelligence based.

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SaiyanZ wrote:

8.3k HP one-shot by Vagan in a T14 with only one damage mod (added lightning) after the adjustments GGG made.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/a7w28k/hc_monster_auras_betrayal_is_fun/

Betrayal syndicate members will remain in the Research Lab for me. The reward for fighting these guys is not going to worth a random RIP at lvl95+ unless you care more about economy instead of leveling.

Watched on 0.25x speed. Vagan's skill visuals are after the death. It's unclear what causes these things.

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robmafia wrote:

also, lolz @ people STILL complaining about the syndicate AFTER it's been nerfed into oblivion.

Lolz, your trolling is so bad. A guy got oneshotted with 8k+ hp and great defenses yet you say it's all ok. Since you don't understand what is going on, what is the point to even talk with you further?

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rus9384 wrote:

Lolz, your trolling is so bad. A guy got oneshotted with 8k+ hp and great defenses yet you say it's all ok. Since you don't understand what is going on, what is the point to even talk with you further?

fact: people were one-shotted before this league.

fact: people died to glitchy/unfair/unclear/etc circumstances before this league

fact: people died to one-shot league mechanics before this league.

fact: this league's mechanics were already nerfed. and pretty massively, at that.

fact: the complaints about difficulty are still rolling in. post-nerf into oblivion.

lolz @ "great defenses," though. AGAIN, hp =/= defense. he had a large life pool. defenses weren't bad, but weren't great. i don't understand why he'd use a kaom's over a loreweave, if he was looking for phys->ele conversion. it would be akin to running all 3 purities, while freeing up mana res for something else. personal preference comes into this, though. that's not going into the questionable flask choices, either. **

uberlolz @ me not understanding what's going on.

quasilolz @ saying there's no point in further talking. as you keep typing and click "submit." amazing display of logic.


** took a closer look. defenses were actually kind of meh. 2 purities and acrobatics and that's it. virtually no armor/eva, 0 block, flasks were offensive/movement aside from 1 basalt. i don't understand why he didn't try to stack more dodge and conversion.

if anything, this is a testament to the player's skill to even make it that far without dying.