Don't nerf Syndicate encounters

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robmafia wrote:

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SaiyanZ wrote:

8.3k HP one-shot by Vagan in a T14 with only one damage mod (added lightning) after the adjustments GGG made.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/a7w28k/hc_monster_auras_betrayal_is_fun/

Betrayal syndicate members will remain in the Research Lab for me. The reward for fighting these guys is not going to worth a random RIP at lvl95+ unless you care more about economy instead of leveling.

why are you even playing the league if you're going to ignore the league mechanic?



also, lolz @ people STILL complaining about the syndicate AFTER it's been nerfed into oblivion.



re: melee - i played melee last league (consecrated path). i did just fine. was pretty much immortal. i suspect it's a near-perfect build vs syndicate. most of the complaints about melee seem to be from those who think a dps of millions is needed/don't make defenses good enough.

82% block should make one nearly immortal. if not, their problems are intelligence based.

I'm playing the league because Standard map tab is filled with thousands of maps so it's going to be too much effort to empty and store new maps.


Don't know whether you're being sarcastic here or just ignorant. Ignorant based on your other posts. Not every build can fit in block chance or high armour/evasion.

Your high block chance would also get one-shot here when you don't block. Your evasion build will get one shot when you don't evade. You'd also have less HP building up those stats so you're at risk being one-shot more if you're unlucky with blocks/dodges. Those defenses help against smaller hits but against content like this it's just a roll of the dice on whether you survive.

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Zerber wrote:

usually you are either alive or dead in PoE and nothing in between because if you survived one smash the next will usually take you out anyway.

This has been some kind of rumour for a while it seems ... but it's just not true imo, at all.

I mentioned melee because we have more and more screen clutter (dunno since tbe patch, ur it's true overall anyway), and players are pushed never to stand still ... and it's often just easier to position yourself if you can shoot from a distance.

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SaiyanZ wrote:

I'm playing the league because Standard map tab is filled with thousands of maps so it's going to be too much effort to empty and store new maps.


Don't know whether you're being sarcastic here or just ignorant. Ignorant based on your other posts. Not every build can fit in block chance or high armour/evasion.

WAT

actually, any build CAN.

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SaiyanZ wrote:

Your high block chance would also get one-shot here when you don't block.

...yeah, no. it's as if i mentioned using actual defenses, or something.

generally need successive big hits to die.

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SaiyanZ wrote:

Your evasion build will get one shot when you don't evade. You'd also have less HP building up those stats so you're at risk being one-shot more if you're unlucky with blocks/dodges. Those defenses help against smaller hits but against content like this it's just a roll of the dice on whether you survive.

thanks for stating the importance of armor/mitigation. derp.

That guy had more mitigation VS one-shots than your block build. He had

- phys to lighting as damage taken with a topaz flask up
- basalt flask up
- 2 endurance charges
- 8.3k hp
- dont know how much armor/block but it's possible he had some.

In addition, the only damage mod on the map was added lightning damage to which he had the most protection from.

Even if he somehow got more armor, armor does little against very big his like this and chararcters on the top and right of the tree can't get much armor.

Your block build would get one-shot guaranteed if you didn't block here.

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heedkid wrote:

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Cant believe that people can still be this stupid. If the game has no skill as you say and is a simple grind why are you complaining that its hard?

By this people's definitions getting knowledgeable about the game isn't a good thing because only 'nerds' have time to do this. Therefore, more time and money you spend on the game - less your opinion matters.

I certainly didnt say that your opinion as an omeganerd matters less. it's just that you people overestimate your own position somehow. you have your opinion and others have their opinion. just because you play this game like 10 hours every day, it doesnt mean that other people should also have to play it 10 hours every day in order to play the BASIC game and the BASIC mechanic of the league.

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heedkid wrote:

Generalization of people by term 'nerd' also reeks of 'empathy' but whatever. If someone can beat 10 acts in less than half of the time he used to its not a skill, just grind. If someone can amass a lot of currency in short time it is not skill, he was just playing like a 'nerd'. If someone can read layouts fast and without fail he's probably not have any skills while being miserable neckbeard. No skill in this game, yes.

Spoiler

/s

you people simply dont understand. obviously there is "skill" to be found in this game. most notably from game knowledge in general, which allows you to do maximize your farming value by being faster and more efficient while also not dying. it's fine if you think that is skill, but for me it's just a matter of time investment. any half dedicated player can achieve this in poe, if he invests enough time into the game mechanics.

I ve been playing starcraft for years and I can tell you, a vast majority of players will never in their lifetime be able to achieve master league gameplay. not even if they train 18 hours every day.

when I am stressed out in starcraft, I go back to this vs ai farmgame and trade simulator (which I also enjoy a lot btw, dont get me wrong). but if skill is so uber important in this game, you should be able to clear content with garbage tier builds and garbage equipment and garbage everything. and if you play so incredibly well and own ai minions like a true champ, then I or any other average player shouldnt be able to clear content when given the exact same circumstances, for example playing your well equipped hero, right?

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SaiyanZ wrote:

That guy had more mitigation VS one-shots than your block build.

not even close.

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SaiyanZ wrote:

He had

- phys to lighting as damage taken with a topaz flask up
- basalt flask up
- 2 endurance charges
- 8.3k hp
- dont know how much armor/block but it's possible he had some.

...HP =/= MITIGATION. ffs, man.
phys to lighting was a whole 0.
he had phys to cold and fire, and rather minimal conversion. (9/7)
2 endurance charges is 8%.
basalt is 15%
he had virtually no armor and zero block and acrobatics which cut armor in half, anyway. derp.

ie: 23% phys reduction and a small amount converted with minimal (~600?) armor.

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SaiyanZ wrote:

Your block build would get one-shot guaranteed if you didn't block here.

lolz. this can't be said for sure without knowing exactly what the damage numbers/types were... but i highly doubt it.

my "block build" (lolwut? why are you calling it a "block build?") had ~60k armor. before flasks. 78 lt res (before purity). and crab power. it had tons of phys mitigation and increased max res for ele.

you have no idea what you're talking about.

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robmafia wrote:

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SaiyanZ wrote:

That guy had more mitigation VS one-shots than your block build.

not even close.

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SaiyanZ wrote:

He had

- phys to lighting as damage taken with a topaz flask up
- basalt flask up
- 2 endurance charges
- 8.3k hp
- dont know how much armor/block but it's possible he had some.

...HP =/= MITIGATION. ffs, man.
phys to lighting was a whole 7%.
2 endurance charges is 8%
he had virtually no armor and zero block and acrobatics which cut armor in half, anyway. derp.

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SaiyanZ wrote:

Your block build would get one-shot guaranteed if you didn't block here.

lolz. this can't be said for sure without knowing exactly what the damage numbers/types were... but i highly doubt it.

my "block build" (lolwut? why are you calling it a "block build?") had ~60k armor. before flasks. 78 lt res (before purity). and crab power.

you have no idea what you're talking about.

I've already countered your points in the post you replied to. Go read it. No point in discussing this further as you think everyone should or even can be running around with 60k armour, 80% block and crab power. Hahahahahhahahaha

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SaiyanZ wrote:

I've already countered your points in the post you replied to. Go read it. No point in discussing this further as you think everyone should be running around with 60k armour and crab power. Hahahahahhahahaha

you didn't counter anything and i never said that.

ffs, you still think that hp = defense/mitigation

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robmafia wrote:

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SaiyanZ wrote:

I've already countered your points in the post you replied to. Go read it. No point in discussing this further as you think everyone should be running around with 60k armour and crab power. Hahahahahhahahaha

you didn't counter anything and i never said that.

ffs, you still think that hp = defense/mitigation

For you maybe as you're ignorant. Others will read this and see the points clearly. This is a public forum. Can take a horse to the water but can't make him drink.

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SaiyanZ wrote:

For you maybe as you're ignorant. Others will read this and see the points clearly. This is a public forum. Can take a horse to the water but can't make him drink.

lolz

btw - crab power, alone, has more phys mitigation than his entire build.