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robmafia wrote:
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Albinosaurus wrote:
One of the common fallacies committed by the trolls here is that they think people *can't* play to that level. Sometimes people just don't care to, because a single player game with trading may not be worth that kind of effort when you're just progressing through the 1-70 content or low to mid maps. Harder maps and uber bosses, sure, but the hordes of trash you have to wade through to get farmed up enough to take on those challenges? It's a horribly backwards priority these trolls have expressed, but of course they straw man this with "Netflix while you grind." Pathetic.
1. more straw. as expected.
2. the netflix part came from the devs, themselves.
3. still waiting for that ONE citation...
1. Misusing that term. As expected.
2. It was repeated here out of context.
3. It's already there. You just have to become literate.
Tired of trolls? Ignore them.
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1473168
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Posted byAlbinosaurus#7360on Dec 19, 2018, 7:30:40 PM
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"It's almost like a part of PoE from years ago came back"
are you joking? this game has never been more of a gear check or cheesy skill meta than ever before like use loreweave or get good right?
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Posted byNekoHanten#2414on Dec 19, 2018, 8:06:07 PM
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Albinosaurus wrote:
It's actually worse than that.
80% of the game is boring and easy already because it's the leveling process--that time before you even get to play "the build," and this was the main area people were complaining about, and why syndicates got nerfed. These idiots just don't have the brain power to realize that nobody wants this part of the game to be super challenging or grindy, because it's not "the game." This is actually one of the areas that D3 got it WAY more right than most other games, including this one, because they recognized that people just wanted to hit 70 and begin their builds. This is a cultural shift within the gaming community that has been going on over the last decade, and why MMOs and RPGs have been struggling compared to MOBAs and competitive action games. It's all about pacing--not difficulty--and we know this because PvP games are typically much harder than PvE games.
Sure, people want challenge in PoE, but they want it in end-game activities. This doesn't make someone casual, it makes them practical. These clowns want to talk as if they are so "hardcore" or "skilled" even though anyone could run naked through the game spamming Sunder, Arc, or their trap of choice until they finish Act 10 to begin maps. It was never a difficult concept to understand why players reacted negatively to putting "challenging" content in this area of the game, especially when it wasn't challenging, but raw cheese.
These trolls lost, though. GGG understands this stuff so they acted accordingly. Unfortunately, they still haven't listened to the other half of the complaint about this league: It's just not that rewarding. Killing half a dozen of the syndicate members with no veiled drops has caused me to skip any of them that aren't directly in my path to what I'm currently doing, and skipping Forts/Labs even if they are. Again, not because of difficulty--I can handle them just fine--but because it isn't worth the effort. It's better to just keep progressing or farming efficiently than to waste time on it.
TL;DR: Don't listen to these trolls who want to act like difficulty is the main argument. It isn't. Cheese isn't difficulty. They will try to put words in your mouth, call names, state untrue things about you or the game, but all this boils down to simple trolling. Not the funny kind either, the stupid kind. These guys are why GGG uses Reddit instead of this festering cesspool of inbreds.
can you NOT strawman? it's gotten out of control, apparently.
every post now seems to just be you accusing people of being "trolls" with absolute zero evidence of such, mixed with strawman that's getting so absurd it's as if you're attempting to reductio ad absurdum your own previous strawmen.
i notice that you STILL never cited ONE instance, by the way.
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Posted byrobmafia#7456on Dec 19, 2018, 8:57:09 PM
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Albinosaurus wrote:
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robmafia wrote:
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Albinosaurus wrote:
One of the common fallacies committed by the trolls here is that they think people *can't* play to that level. Sometimes people just don't care to, because a single player game with trading may not be worth that kind of effort when you're just progressing through the 1-70 content or low to mid maps. Harder maps and uber bosses, sure, but the hordes of trash you have to wade through to get farmed up enough to take on those challenges? It's a horribly backwards priority these trolls have expressed, but of course they straw man this with "Netflix while you grind." Pathetic.
1. more straw. as expected.
2. the netflix part came from the devs, themselves.
3. still waiting for that ONE citation...
1. Misusing that term. As expected.
2. It was repeated here out of context.
3. It's already there. You just have to become literate.
1. fine. show me were i/we said that. AGAIN, you can't. because it's just straw that you made up.
2. no, it actually wasn't. jon and chris mentioned poe being a game played alongside watching netflix.
3. resorting to ad-hom, already? wow. you're doing great.
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Posted byrobmafia#7456on Dec 19, 2018, 9:00:12 PM
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NekoHanten wrote:
"It's almost like a part of PoE from years ago came back"
are you joking? this game has never been more of a gear check or cheesy skill meta than ever before like use loreweave or get good right?
i don't use a loreweave. fuck, i hope i'm good.
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Posted byrobmafia#7456on Dec 19, 2018, 9:01:23 PM
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GGG should revolve the game around hardcore concepts and allow SC to adapt -- because HC has everything to lose where SC keeps going.
It should be difficult toward the end game because that's where people expect to die. It shouldn't be a problem to learn the league content while leveling to end game -- but oddly Betrayal bosses deal loads of damage early on. I believe the damage multiplies due to boss items, boss ranks, boss damage taken. Suddenly they're critting you for all of your hp. There wasn't a proper beta test of the league content before release, and technically everyone playing at this time is testing what will later be adapted into a small portion of the overall game.
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Posted bykeshanberk#4589on Dec 19, 2018, 10:43:15 PM
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Anonymous1749704 wrote:
Just like pretty much every AAA developer, GGG is no longer in the business of making a good game. They're in the business to make a popular game.
Why not both?
Because both are not required for good business.
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Slaanesh69 wrote:
You and I, clearly, differ greatly on our opinion on the accessibility and it's measure in the success of this game.
I certainly don't criticize your desire for a beefy challenge, but understand that "beefy challenge" games are generally very niche.
Sure, The Souls games were great successes (eventually), but only in so much as they literally created their own genre of "gain through pain" gameplay.
I am sure GGG is happy to peel off the 1% of players who feel the game is too "Easy" (and tend to condescend dramatically all over the forums) if they add on 10% to overall accessible gameplay that the increased playerbase feels is a Good(tm) game.
It's all relative, man.
Like I said, successful games don't equal good games. That's a distorted claim from games going mainstream. "The more people play this game, the better it must be". Yeah sure bro.
I wish you wouldn't bring up Souls games. They're one of the fairest games in the past decade that I've played; that "gain through pain" you think they are is simply the lack of willingness to learn the game. It's funny how a game that is mechanically fair but doesn't babysit its players becomes one of the generation's most difficult titles :)
Try playing some of the earlier Ghosts 'n Goblins games. Souls doesn't come even close in terms of pain factor.
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NekoHanten wrote:
"It's almost like a part of PoE from years ago came back"
are you joking? this game has never been more of a gear check or cheesy skill meta than ever before like use loreweave or get good right?
Yeah. The keyword is "a part" :)
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robmafia wrote:
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Albinosaurus wrote:
1. Misusing that term. As expected.
2. It was repeated here out of context.
3. It's already there. You just have to become literate.
1. fine. show me were i/we said that. AGAIN, you can't. because it's just straw that you made up.
2. no, it actually wasn't. jon and chris mentioned poe being a game played alongside watching netflix.
3. resorting to ad-hom, already? wow. you're doing great.
1. This very post.
2. That's still not the context it was used in during this thread.
3. Ad hominem is name-calling in the place of an argument. I was pointing out that you clearly can't read correctly, or we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
For the record, calling you a troll isn't a straw man either, so go learn that term before you misuse it again. Hint: I explained earlier what it was. Study it carefully... once you learn to read.
Tired of trolls? Ignore them.
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1473168
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Posted byAlbinosaurus#7360on Dec 20, 2018, 3:38:39 AM
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Cant believe that people can still be this stupid. If the game has no skill as you say and is a simple grind why are you complaining that its hard? How can a game where the only challenge be grinding be........oh wait, I got it. I got why the scrubs here are so mad.
You want instant gratification, thats it. You are a product of this generation of gamers which cant handle being challenged and want to be the boss of everything they play. Get rewards all the time so to speak, like in a facebook/mobile game. The fact that there might be something challenging to them while they play is unacceptable.
And to further support that they are complete scrubs, they have this perception in their minds that their way of instant gratification is how the game is supposed to be played. While ridiculing everyone else who has different ideas.
In a real PvP game they wouldn't survive and would get laughed by the rest but since this is PvE they get to have their say unfortunately.
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Posted byJohny_Snow#4778on Dec 20, 2018, 4:18:22 AM
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1. nope. care to actually support ONE accusation of yours? you still haven't.
2. wrong. lolz @ trying to argue with me about my own context, as if you'd know more about it than i (esp since you didn't even seem to know it's meaning or origin)
3. yeah, it was ad-hom. notice, you had no actual argument, just a dismissal via your "become literate" insult.
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Posted byrobmafia#7456on Dec 20, 2018, 4:18:49 AM
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