Tarke Cat's Tencent Video

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xMustard wrote:

see, thing is most people that say stuff like this just go shopping at walmart and such.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

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xMustard wrote:

see, thing is most people that say stuff like this just go shopping at walmart and such.

yeah, lets be real here, if you have a pc and are on the internet making statements its probably safe to say youre not living in a hand made cabin in the woods completely off the grid of society. That means its almost certain you give money to megacorps who are hand in hand with at least 1 corrupt government, probably extremely regularly.

You live in the machine, theres no escape from it short of going full into the wild style crazy. Boycott supermarkets and buy food at small stores? Ok what food are you buying? Cocacola products? Something made by a company whos owned by a company whos owned by a mega corp? probably. You really going ham on the principals and only eating food bought direct from farmers, you only eat food that is grown in your own country locally and only eat it in season? Cool, so where do they buy their farm machines, where do they buy the fuel for those machines? They drilling for their own oil and processing it or is the money you give them then being used to buy products from megacorps?...

and this money you use to buy stuff, you store that in a bank by any chance?...


trust me I have no love for the machine, Id tear it down and make something new if I could, but I cant, none of us can. There is no escape where you still get to be on the internet playing games and eating a diverse range of enjoyable food etc. You give GGG the indie devs money, you think any of that money was spent in macdonalds? you think that money wasnt put into a bank that was probably owned by a bigger bank that was probably up to its neck in murky bullshit?

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DarkNRG wrote:

I'll take fighting it's advancements tooth and nail over quiet sad surrender. Just because it is everywhere and/or the norm does not mean you cannot stand against it when you have the ability to.

Posts like this are... fuck. Okay guys let's just accept that life sucks we are powerless and that this dudes views are the correct assumptions to be made.

Defeatist ass bullshit. Where is your dignity?

Every single way you break away from supporting the machine, whatever you want to call it... is a step in the right direction IMO.

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ChefoSLR wrote:

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DarkNRG wrote:

I'll take fighting it's advancements tooth and nail over quiet sad surrender. Just because it is everywhere and/or the norm does not mean you cannot stand against it when you have the ability to.

Posts like this are... fuck. Okay guys let's just accept that life sucks we are powerless and that this dudes views are the correct assumptions to be made.

Defeatist ass bullshit. Where is your dignity?

Every single way you break away from supporting the machine, whatever you want to call it... is a step in the right direction IMO.

Alright buddy, break away then. You're gonna have to give up way more than PoE though, since Tencent own a billion companies and they've been collecting your cash since before you knew what a Tencent is. By the way, Tencent basically own Fortnite, League, Warframe, etc. etc. and their investment in Ubisoft turned the company around. They've done a lot of good for the western gaming scene and they're smart enough to not mess with working formulas (at least in the U.S./Europe, if you're playing the Chinese PoE then have fun buying chaos orbs with cash, son).

On some level I sympathize with people who don't want to support evil companies, but that's basically impossible in today's world. Just be thankful that your geographic and social position allows you to make these choices in the first place. You could've been born, for example, in a communist shithole where you aren't allowed to talk about tanks rolling over civilians and the air you breathe is considered hazardous. As a western customer, you'll see PoE improve a lot and you'll benefit from Tencent's investment. As an eastern customer, you will be abused in a backstreet alley with P2W bullshit since the whole reason Tencent is buying into GGG is so they can expand the game in China and do what they want with it.

-200 Social Credit score

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Chinese internet giant Tencent has taken down a local, Chinese-language chatbot developed with Microsoft's artificial intelligence by a Beijing-based company after it was less than complimentary about the ruling Chinese Communist Party.

"The group chatbot services are provided by independent third party companies," Tencent said in a statement. "We are now adjusting the services which will be resumed after improvements."

Since beginning operation in March, the Baby Q and XiaoBing chatbots had recent given a number of responses unlikely to be welcomed inside the Great Firewall, where government censors are quick to pounce on a long list of banned, politically "sensitive" expressions.

Asked if it would agree with the phrase "Long Live the Communist Party," the Baby Q bot replied tartly: "Why would I wish long life to such a corrupt regime?"

Later, asked by another user if it loved the ruling party, it returned a curt "No, I don't."

Baby Q, which was developed by the Beijing-based company Turing Robot, also appeared to harbor some unauthorized views on patriotism.

"What is a patriot?" asked one user. To which the AI program retorted:

"A patriot is someone who still wants to be Chinese in spite of corrupt officials sending their families and assets overseas, the collusion between government and business, increasing tax revenues and growing oppression of ordinary people."

Asked if democracy was a good idea, the bot replied: "We must democratize."

Another user picked up a catchphrase beloved of Chinese President Xi Jinping, asking the bot: "What is your Chinese dream?"

"My Chinese dream," the bot replied, "is to emigrate to the United States."

Baby Q was taken offline after these exchanges, with online reports claiming that its programmers had been called in to "drink tea" with the internet police.

A Tencent account-holder who had previously chatted with the bot said he was surprised by the move.

"For a computer to say such things is the natural result of logical processes in its programming, and yet the government regards ... it as taboo," the account-holder said.

Shenzhen-based Internet entrepreneur Zhang Jinjun said the chatbot's "misbehavior" is likely the result of access to data outside of the government's tightly controlled online parameters and could have come from people it has chatted with in recent months.

"In the space of communicating with a million people, it is going to start to build its own knowledge base," Zhang said. "It is quite likely that it will draw conclusions that are similar to universal values [of freedom, rule of law and democracy]."

"It is pretty close to the mainstream of political culture and the direction of history," he said. "It is highly likely that the bot would form ideas critical of China's political system when viewed from within its own system of understanding."

An employee who answered the phone at Tencent's publicity department declined to comment when contacted by RFA.

Reported by Xin Lin for RFA's Mandarin Service. Translated and edited by Luisetta Mudie.

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DarkNRG wrote:

Every single way you break away from supporting the machine, whatever you want to call it... is a step in the right direction IMO.

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Snailmail wrote:

I have no problem with GGG selling out control of the company. The owners have a right to cash out whenever or however they choose. Too bad they didn't sell to a company that wasn't under the thumb of an authoritarian government that is also actively assisting that government with monitoring their citizens.

I wish GGG and Path of Tencent good social credit in the scores to come...