Incursion Timer

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Ygidua wrote:

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Even back in D2 unless you were running something with a specific niche job (warcry goldfind barb, or uber keys runner) you needed to have solid waveclear for trash mobs.

Not really.

You could let the waves run past you if they were too hard, or you could tank them to death. DPS was never a thing at any Diablo game except D3.

My first char at D2 was a melee amazon, took ages to take down Diablo, but I did it.

Timers in games are always a poor design choice. No matter if we talk WOW, D3 or POE. Games are supposed to be fun, supposed to be relaxing, we run timers all day if we work, we don´t need that in our free time as well.

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Ygidua wrote:

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Even back in D2 unless you were running something with a specific niche job (warcry goldfind barb, or uber keys runner) you needed to have solid waveclear for trash mobs.

Not really.

You could let the waves run past you if they were too hard, or you could tank them to death. DPS was never a thing at any Diablo game except D3.

My first char at D2 was a melee amazon, took ages to take down Diablo, but I did it.

Timers in games are always a poor design choice. No matter if we talk WOW, D3 or POE. Games are supposed to be fun, supposed to be relaxing, we run timers all day if we work, we don´t need that in our free time as well.

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

Are the timers super strict or something where you need to be clearspeed meta to beat them, or can a build with average clearing speed still do it? If it's the first, and not the later, then I kinda agree, it's a shit mechanic.

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sarannah101 wrote:

Did GGG show anywhere what happens if the timer runs out and we fail?... really curious about that. But it will probably be in monday's incursion FAQ. Really hope it won't be an oba's death thing haha

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SeCKSEgai wrote:

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Ygidua wrote:

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Even back in D2 unless you were running something with a specific niche job (warcry goldfind barb, or uber keys runner) you needed to have solid waveclear for trash mobs.

Not really.

You could let the waves run past you if they were too hard, or you could tank them to death. DPS was never a thing at any Diablo game except D3.

My first char at D2 was a melee amazon, took ages to take down Diablo, but I did it.

Timers in games are always a poor design choice. No matter if we talk WOW, D3 or POE. Games are supposed to be fun, supposed to be relaxing, we run timers all day if we work, we don´t need that in our free time as well.

Let's revisit that for a moment.


Act 1 The Pit - WAVECLEAR
Mephisto - single target since you could just tele
Council - single target kinda works but can get pretty dangerous to kill one by one depending on mods
Diablo - To unlock the seals WAVECLEAR
Baal - WAVECLEAR because of his minion hordes
Cow Level - WAVECLEAR
Ubers - still had to WAVECLEAR while getting keys


I think you have different memories of d2 than the rest of us. Sure you could finish fights in D2 with poorly designed characters - you can generally do that in Poe now. But for any reasonable farming you had to waveclear endlessly because most runs would be fruitless. Taking 15 minutes to kill diablo would be wasteful given how likely you were to actually get something that wasn't a trash unique. Damage was always a thing, because it gated even the acts just as it does in Poe.

Even in D2 the bottom line was efficiency. There were countless hammerdins not just because of its waveclear and single target - but also the fact that magic immunes were the least likely monster to face. Given that I really hated the spinning hammers, I've long forgotten how irritated I used to get. Even as a dual elemental sorc or barb with physical and an elemental damage type you could still run into mobs that had immunities to your damage types.

I did kill Uber Diablo at least once on a character that wasn't optimized for it - given how long it took, it made me realize I needed to adapt and improve so that more specialized fights don't take forever and a day.

On the same token I also had a goldfind warcry barb to fight council and hork to make gambling efficient - he could complete other content but my other characters could do that better.

My keys runner was a kicksin (because not hammerdin) and while she had reasonable waveclear she was OPTIMIZED for single target boss killing, since that was her purpose.

Sure, you could avoid some waves - but it was entirely impractical to avoid waveclearing all the time - unless you planned on getting carried to baal, getting carried by bot run baal runs only to build a character that just ran Mephisto and nothing else.