Is there a way to report scammer?

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Completed 10 ChallengesVresiberba wrote:

Oh, please. If you switch out the item to trick the buyer it's a scam, end of story.


Is the buyer obligated to check the new item before being allowed to accept the trade? Yes most certainly.

It is not a scam when you have to check and than accept. Simple as that not matter how good you are trying to make yourself feel for failing at the simplest of things: checking the horse's teeth before purchase.
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Last edited by Bone2flesh on Jan 9, 2018 7:33:01 AM
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Completed 36 ChallengesBone2flesh wrote:
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Completed 10 ChallengesVresiberba wrote:

Oh, please. If you switch out the item to trick the buyer it's a scam, end of story.


Is the buyer obligated to check the new item before being allowed to accept the trade? Yes most certainly.

It is not a scam when you have to check and than accept. Simple as that not matter how good you are trying to make yourself feel for failing at the simplest of things: checking the horse's teeth before purchase.


That's ridiculous. The fact that it's easily avoidable doesn't mean it's not a scam. Most scams (IRL and in-game) are easily avoidable, yet they are scams nonetheless. Purposefully switching out the requested item for another is, indisputably, a scam... whether you get away with it or not.
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Completed 36 ChallengesBone2flesh wrote:
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Completed 10 ChallengesVresiberba wrote:

Of-bloody-course it's a scam! Being scammed has precisely nothing whatsoever to do with you or what you do, it's the action of the other guy and if he switched the item in the trade, he is a scammer and you were scammed, full stop. Christ almighty...


People like you who and OP that are given full tools to protect themselves BUT dismiss them and get shafted will always try to blame others to make yourselves feel better.

How you feel is relevant only to yourself and potentially other sympathetic people. It's great BUT it's not a factual truth.

Like I mentioned before a factual truth is this:

- To make a trade both players need to check the traded good by hovering over them.
- You can switch the item out: correct. This is a necessity in case of haste and placing the incorrect item in.
- Switching the item triggers the necessity to check the item again.
- When you accept that trade you accept to pay whatever you placed in the trade window for what you HAD to check from the other player.

These are absolute truths in the trade system of this game. Make any excuses you want for your poor sad events but you agreed to pay. No one scammed you. learn to live with your mistakes and learn from them instead of trying to change how others behave. Stop being stupid please.


Someone get an email from a Nigerian prince asking you for a loan that he will repay in 3000% interest. That person has all the tools to not fall for it, but some still do. It is called a phishing scam. It isn't designed to work 100% of the time, hell probably not even 5%. It just needs to work a few times and then you are ok. There are plenty of more examples that follow this line. They are all scams, no matter the tools in place to protect you.

The difference is though that society tries to educate against scams to help protect itself. GGG does not put this out there or do anything to protect the integrity of their game. They put in some very basic trade mechanics (I think every game with trading has a trade verify option) and does a poor job implementing these mechanics and calls it a day.

At the end of the day, this shouldn't affect veterans. It will affect new players. It will likely drive them off and GGG loses a potential revenue source. If they are ok with that, so be it. One would think as a game developer, you'd like to see your game reach as many players as possible and provide them entertainment.

An easy fix would be to put in some sort of AH/store system for items most bought or anything under 10/20/50 chaos. After that price point, you're reaching end game builds, which most newer players won't do until they get more familiar with the game. The game then stops the scamming of newbies.
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Completed 10 ChallengesVresiberba wrote:

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cronus wrote:

it's a game where real life rules don't apply.

What do you mean, "doesn't apply"? If you're scammed, you're scammed, it doesn't have to follow any special rules for a scam to occur. Or do you think scamming in card games is okay just because it's a game? There's a reason the Three-card Monte game is illegal in many countries.

card games have strong rules that forbid cheating. poe has none such rules.


No.
Going outside is highly overrated
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Completed 36 ChallengesBone2flesh wrote:
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Completed 10 ChallengesVresiberba wrote:

Oh, please. If you switch out the item to trick the buyer it's a scam, end of story.


Is the buyer obligated to check the new item before being allowed to accept the trade? Yes most certainly.

Completely and utterly irrelevant. If you're being scammed, it doesn't matter one iota what you do, you are being scammed! Whether the scam was successful or not is completely beside the point, it's still a scam. It's just as simple as that. What, do you think it's not a bank robbery if you fail to get away with the loot?

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Completed 36 ChallengesBone2flesh wrote:
It is not a scam when you have to check and than accept.

Rubbish. It's the INTENT that is in question, if you intend to scam someone, you're scamming. What is hard to understand about this? Seriously.
Going outside is highly overrated
-Anorak's Almanac. Chapter 17, Verse 32
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Completed 10 ChallengesVresiberba wrote:
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cronus wrote:
card games have strong rules that forbid cheating. poe has none such rules.

No.

just show me one ggg post, interview or whatever where ggg defines what is allowed in this game and what not. there is none.

they only want players to report scammers so they can flag those accounts for deeper checking because they think it often goes along with botting or manipulating the client.

when they have said they banned scammers in the past it was likely for something that was against the ToS.
Why are supposed to baby inattentiveness and stupidity?

Two things to mention here:

1. You didn't have to tell us how he "scammed" you, ofc you're gonna catch shit for falling for that.

2. You could have Googled this question and avoided this entire thread.

Yes it's ass he did that, but there's no excuse for him getting away with something so obvious.
Okay it's already been established it was indeed a scam. At the end of the day you accepted it, so no form of report should be necessary or even considered. Support staff should not allocate resources towards a system that already allows you to determine the exact items you're getting with 2 options when considering sockets, links. Hover over the item or turn the setting on that always shows sockets before you accept a trade. Really no input needed from anybody else and those of you stating it's not a scam it is a scam. A common one that has been around for nearly over 2 decades. One that 7 year olds learned to deal with very quick in Runescape. While you don't want to hear it and you have heard it many times check your items. Just like you would at the grocery store or any retail store prior to buying it. Especially if the sale was as is :).
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cronus wrote:
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Completed 10 ChallengesVresiberba wrote:
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cronus wrote:
card games have strong rules that forbid cheating. poe has none such rules.

No.

just show me one ggg post, interview or whatever where ggg defines what is allowed in this game and what not. there is none.

Irrelevant. Cheating is cheating. Full stop.
Going outside is highly overrated
-Anorak's Almanac. Chapter 17, Verse 32
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Completed 10 ChallengesVresiberba wrote:

Irrelevant. Cheating is cheating. Full stop.


Cry all you want. If you check the item and accept you are at fault 100% no matter the intentions of the other person. He's an ass yes BUT you should be responsible of your purchase as well. You are both stupid except one has a gain and the other a loss.

What he did is 100% NOT cheating. Like 100%. Cheating is exploiting the game is some way. This was no game exploit otherwise IT would be against the TOS and ban worthy.

He used perfectly functioning game mechanics and abused your gullible nature. He cheated you personally and NOT the game. That sounds like a you problem considering you can totally avoid it and it's your dam fault for not checking your purchase.

You are simply incorrect in your assumptions and this should not be changed by GGG so people like you can learn a dam life lesson by playing a game. You may actually gain some value in your life if, instead of crying about it, you learn from it instead.

"Never argue with an idiot. They will take you down to their level and beat you trough experience."

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