youve trashed the game

Well, this thread really went places. I skimmed over the last 8 pages or so of fighting - Snorkle, thanks for trying to bring us back on topic.

I was frustrated when I first saw all these new mods, and I agree with Snorkle's point about the disproportionate buff they represent for a select few builds, but I think ultimately it's tough to know what the long-term impact will be. It seems to me these mods will eventually result in rares that outpace current mirror-tier items, but I can't pretend to have the experience to predict WHEN that will happen or whether it will be "good" or "bad" and for whom.

Basically, the issue as I see it is that GGG introduced this stuff rather recklessly. I know they aren't designing the game around Standard-loyal weirdos like me, nor do they seem to be designing solely with the economy in mind. However, it'd be nice to have confidence they have some foresight regarding how the content they introduce to the game will affect the meta, build diversity/balance, and item accessibility - especially since these are important traits in PoE that help the game attract and keep its playerbase. Right now, my confidence in their planning is... mixed, at best.

I mean it's not like this is the first time horrendous levels of imbalance exist in this game; your archetypical phys-Cleave Barbarian guy never had a chance to compete with CoC or crit-attack builds during 1.x, never had a chance to compete with ignite-prolif, poison, SRS etc. during 2.x, and by that I mean way-way worse damage combined with worse survivability (partly from the fact that fights take too long thanks to bad damage).

But still, this feels different, not just a few obscure mechanics and overtuned skills running out of control, but rather entire classes of builds being forgotten during the design process. Half-assed, or intentionally narrow experimentation, or simply incompetent, I'm not sure.

On the bright side this latest wave of power creep is not required to beat any content in the game, so even the phys-Cleave Barbarian guy can do red maps and even Shapers and stuff with a few accessible uniques and decent rares, it's just gonna be slow and more difficult and probably more expensive, but I guess it means people can still have all the fun while waiting for fixes and not be excluded from doing content (as it used to be).

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robmafia wrote:

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allbusiness wrote:

I don't even have to respond because you literally bold face lied and got caught just because you are that desperate to prove your point. Your credibility is absolutely shot at this point, you should probably stop talking.

take 2. (initally i responded with a screenshot of the PM, but i guess that's a no-no)

1. you literally misused literally.
2. i didn't even lie.
3. i'm not the one who [Removed by Support] made hilarious threats via pm.

Last post, you took Snorkle's quote way out of context of what he was trying to make a point about in order to supplement your point, and tried to clip the rest of the quote in order to make it look like he was trying to talk about Abyss items were overpowered, when in fact he was talking about the severe imbalance between build archetypes.

[removed by Support] You committed a perfect example of contextomy. In laymans term, you basically flat out lied about the quote, clipped pretty much 90% of it, and tried to use it as evidence to support your position.


But hey, don't respond to that. Just keep ignoring that. I'm done. You can go ahead and keep thinking [Removed by Support] that you're right because you know a few logical fallacy terms. Meanwhile, I'll actually go play and enjoy the game instead of [Removed by Support] on the forums about how GGG ruined everything (hint : every overpowered item gets put as legacy, removed, or gated behind rare cards).

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theD4nk0wl wrote:

I.NO get over it the game is on its death bed at this point. Original poster is entirely right, Sharts is right. There is literally close to no point now. They just released open server diablo 2 but as the actual and only game. Except instead of zonfire you and your crew can use your orbs to roll up some dumb shit while the rest of us quit. I remember making an open server immuno pvp char, was fun for a week. Enjoy Path!

It's dead because people like you are quitting if anything it's thriving.

Hell everytime the game is on it's ''deathbed'' it's really not like google game is dying path of exile 999999 threads and game is still quite active for the most part.

With that being said a crew member used aprox 752 chaos orbs on a elder shaped item and he didn't get results the likely hood of you rolling good shit is pretty ''Low'' soooo that isn't going to fly.

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robmafia wrote:

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Pizzarugi wrote:

I've never reached the Shaper or his guardians yet in all the time I've played and I've never had the resources to own a 6link,

...6Ls can be bought for a few chaos.

30+ chaos for even a white 6l (checked on poe.trade for this) is not a few, especially if you're looking for a rare with decent stats. 6l Oro's Sacrifice is currently going for 430c minimum right now and by the time that price drops (if it even does), the league will be close to ending.

It may be easy for you to dredge up 30c+ in short time to buy a white 6l and spend 30c+ rerolling for good stats, but for people like me, that is considered an unrealistically huge sum that we spent a long time accumulating. Some people like myself don't utilize a lot of trade schemes to make currency hand over fist. For most of us, all we've got to rely upon for currency is the chaos vendor recipe, drops, and the occasional garbage that might be worth selling for 1c. And as far as I understand, those methods are considered ineffective for making money.

That doesn't change my opinion in opposing power creep. What is BiS now may become the minimum gear you need for a gnat's ass chance in beating the next endgame boss, because powerful new items introduced earlier has raised the standard for endgame.

Most of the rich commenters here may be okay with powerful new bosses being introduced because they can buy their access items early in the league, but for the poor/casual plebs like myself, that's another 1000 rungs added to the ladder we have to climb.

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allbusiness wrote:

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robmafia wrote:

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allbusiness wrote:

I don't even have to respond because you literally bold face lied and got caught just because you are that desperate to prove your point. Your credibility is absolutely shot at this point, you should probably stop talking.

take 2. (initally i responded with a screenshot of the PM, but i guess that's a no-no)

1. you literally misused literally.
2. i didn't even lie.
3. i'm not the one who [Removed by Support] made hilarious threats via pm.

Last post, you took Snorkle's quote way out of context of what he was trying to make a point about in order to supplement your point, and tried to clip the rest of the quote in order to make it look like he was trying to talk about Abyss items were overpowered, when in fact he was talking about the severe imbalance between build archetypes.

[Removed by Support] You committed a perfect example of contextomy. In laymans term, you basically flat out lied about the quote, clipped pretty much 90% of it, and tried to use it as evidence to support your position.


But hey, don't respond to that. Just keep ignoring that. I'm done. You can go ahead and keep thinking in your own little liberal arts world that you're right because you know a few logical fallacy terms. Meanwhile, I'll actually go play and enjoy the game instead of [Removed by Support] on the forums about how GGG ruined everything (hint : every overpowered item gets put as legacy, removed, or gated behind rare cards).

1. you're so done that you're... posting. not to mention the PM threats...
2. i posted the snorkle snippet as a trap. because i knew you'd fixate on it, instead of...
3. the other quote that was directly below it, in the same post, that you completely ignored/evaded. as per your usual, over these last 10 pages.
4. you ran from your own criteria. these were YOUR terms. YOU'RE the one that said no one mentioned league items (they did). then you goalpost shifted. but people also said that the league items were OP, so you had to evade your own criteria. again.
5. still waiting for you to back up ONE of your accusations. you never showed where i lied OR where i was wrong.


as for me ignoring it - i did the opposite. i noted your reaction and laughed. you walked right into your own trap. again. i even mentioned 2 specific times you did the same thing, previously. you... just keep doing it.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

30+ chaos for even a white 6l (checked on poe.trade for this) is not a few, especially if you're looking for a rare with decent stats.

...so when you say you can't afford a 6L, what you really mean is that you can't afford a 6L with good stats.

*facepalm*


corrupted 6Ls and skins are pretty cheap. yes, even you can afford one. you don't have to resort to hyberbolic falsehoods.

[Removed by Support] /s

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Pizzarugi wrote:

Spoiler

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robmafia wrote:

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Pizzarugi wrote:

I've never reached the Shaper or his guardians yet in all the time I've played and I've never had the resources to own a 6link,

...6Ls can be bought for a few chaos.

30+ chaos for even a white 6l (checked on poe.trade for this) is not a few, especially if you're looking for a rare with decent stats. 6l Oro's Sacrifice is currently going for 430c minimum right now and by the time that price drops (if it even does), the league will be close to ending.

It may be easy for you to dredge up 30c+ in short time to buy a white 6l and spend 30c+ rerolling for good stats, but for people like me, that is considered an unrealistically huge sum that we spent a long time accumulating. Some people like myself don't utilize a lot of trade schemes to make currency hand over fist. For most of us, all we've got to rely upon for currency is the chaos vendor recipe, drops, and the occasional garbage that might be worth selling for 1c. And as far as I understand, those methods are considered ineffective for making money.

That doesn't change my opinion in opposing power creep. What is BiS now may become the minimum gear you need for a gnat's ass chance in beating the next endgame boss, because powerful new items introduced earlier has raised the standard for endgame.

Most of the rich commenters here may be okay with powerful new bosses being introduced because they can buy their access items early in the league, but for the poor/casual plebs like myself, that's another 1000 rungs added to the ladder we have to climb.

very true.

there are occasional sheer luck moments in trade like the 2 swords I got today for around 2 Chaos total, which made my Spectral Throw character feel extremely powerful.
or that 5-link with a really high life roll and some resists, a guy was selling for 6 Chaos. was close to getting that when Abyss Depths RNG decided I can have my own 5-link.

but for the most part the "broken power creep"-tier items are beyond my reach. especially in Standard. even with a combined wealth of around 5 years playing the game.
speaking of Standard - I got some Shaper and Elder Rares from doing a few maps. all were comparable to or worse than the stuff in my "b/o 1 Chaos" tab.
the pool of mods on them seems to make the gap between "trash" and "godly" even bigger.

i barely played harbinger and i still had over 250 ex. if you're playing on standard, and have been for 5 years, and can't afford _____ - i'm afraid you're just not good at understanding the in-game economics.

which is rather evident, by your mentioning of the shaper/elder DROPS being lackluster.

that's the point: I don't. and I'm not trying to.
I'm the kind of player who will try to play self-found, buy stuff to use them in my build rather than re-sell/"flip" them, and sell stuff which look interesting among the trash I get - to fund the progression of my characters rather than accumulate "wealth".

congratulations on 250 ex.
I still jump from my seat if I have an Exalted or a Divine randomly drop from a barrel or crate somewhere.
just like I did 5 years ago.

re: lackluster Shaper/Elder rares - some are not lackluster. some are broken-tier powerful like Snorkle showed in OP.
but the gap between these and the ones I got is a true abyss (pun intended). those who can afford the new super-rares can break the game. I can't.

but the real problem is GGG were always balancing the game around the top power tier. with greater power creep come a fuck ton of new one shot mechanics.
I'm getting destroyed in story mode locations I had no troubles with previously.
and it will only get worse.