Yo fuck this density nerf.

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sidtherat wrote:

it is the correct topic. i just skipped the excuses and attacked the main issue: maps are less rewarding now


how many ever used vaal brach to kill mobs? none? right. because some of you claim killing mobs is fun. but they do not drop loot/xp.. oh.. so it is not about fun but about rewards in the end

so just skip the deception and attavk the rewards.

note: maps like residence and palace are STILL broken. agreed. but situayion in 2.6 was unsustainable. some maps were already so crowded that it looked simply STUPUD

how do you expect to sustain the game where players are motivated ONLY with rewards? iy does not work for long. it is better to get rid of such motivation (with players if necessary) to keep the game healthy long term

2.4->2.5->2.6 was unsustainable. no chance to feed players more rewards at that pace. in 2.8 players would not play without real dollars being dropped. it was going to reach this point of entitlement and expected 'rewards' really really quickly

nerfing it (slightly. be real. it is not an end of the world) is called 'managing expectations'. playerbase cannot expect to get everything because once the chase is over there is nothing left. this game is not about skill after all but abouy relative and absolute wealth. you cannot rain wealth freely for too long if you want to keep people playing

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painfrais wrote:

So all of your points are atlas related, map expansion or tuning the atlas, which in my opinion should be near the top of the list for what they're going to do next. So everything is good.
You also pointed changes that only adress half the problem. This all stems from density being too high, why go for the finicky changes like reducing iir iiq and then nerfing the flasks and changing rampage, instead of simply changing whatever makes everything too good(the density).

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painfrais wrote:

So all of your points are atlas related, map expansion or tuning the atlas, which in my opinion should be near the top of the list for what they're going to do next. So everything is good.
You also pointed changes that only adress half the problem. This all stems from density being too high, why go for the finicky changes like reducing iir iiq and then nerfing the flasks and changing rampage, instead of simply changing whatever makes everything too good(the density).

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you want killing mobs because it is 'fun'? i doubt. you want to kill mobs because they give loot. you want loot because tlit is valuable. you want valuable because it makes you feel better

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Fhark wrote:

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you want killing mobs because it is 'fun'? i doubt. you want to kill mobs because they give loot. you want loot because tlit is valuable. you want valuable because it makes you feel better

nearly every person here has said its less fun with less density, i feel the same way you really think were all lying? if they want to tone down drops get rid of fucking biscos.

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sofocle10000 wrote:

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Fhark wrote:

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you want killing mobs because it is 'fun'? i doubt. you want to kill mobs because they give loot. you want loot because tlit is valuable. you want valuable because it makes you feel better

nearly every person here has said its less fun with less density, i feel the same way you really think were all lying? if they want to tone down drops get rid of fucking biscos.

Neah, some of us "real" melee players don't notice such a difference, and it also encourages the single target namelocking melee skills a bit.

Yeah, I'm conscious that we're a "dying breed going the way of DoDo", but the density change should have been addressed no less, ideally by nerfing sextants, and certain drop rates so you would actually got a similar situation...

And his point regarding the run of Vaal Breach still stands. If you feel like you're needing additional enemies you're welcomed to run that next to the map content to "fill the screen".

Unfortunately the player base got so used to "more @#*^" = "better experience", that there seems the next attempts at real balance will cause uproars. Just because...

And I also find it funny that most of the players "bribed" by the "Labyrinth adjustments" are finding that content "great" now.

Sad day indeed... >.<

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zzang wrote:

Shaped reef and shaped Pier feel like ghost cities. Whirl whirl whirl small pack no rares and whirl whirl whirl whirl some more to find another white pack made of 5 white mobs. And im talking about 30%+ packsize. Its a pure disgrace. Better make those maps low tier like t1 or t2 if people should not run those evil linear or circular maps. And its not like they buffed mao layouts like plaza or maze they are shitty as always.

Although a nerf was required this change took a giant portion of action from action rpg. Those maps feel unfun and not worth being red maps anymore.

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sidtherat wrote:

big picture is hypocrisy

this is what is the most present thing int his thread.

you want killing mobs because it is 'fun'? i doubt. you want to kill mobs because they give loot. you want loot because tlit is valuable. you want valuable because it makes you feel better